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>So, yes, vaccination may not prevent being infected, but for sure it helps immensely in avoiding being hospitalized and shortening the infection, which does ac

>So, yes, vaccination may not prevent being infected, but for sure it helps immensely in avoiding being hospitalized and shortening the infection, which does actually translate in less people being infected. On the flip side, infections in the vaccinated who are asymptomatic are more likely to leave the house, simply because they have no idea that they're sick. Perhaps they end up at a restaurant with their mask off and turn into a literal super spreaders (if we're to believe Omicron is 4X more transmissable). This was always a potential problem with vaccines that only reduce symptoms and don't prevent transmission. If Omicron is indeed mild and highly contagious as officials in South Africa claim, this could be a huge issue with anyone vaccinated.

lamontcg 5y ago
Transmissions and symptoms are roughly correlated through viral load. The household attack rate of ultimately asymptomatic infections is much lower than ultimately symptomatic. The window for vaccinated people is also shorter since mRNA loads peak at about the same levels (where the entry criteria for the study was the same level of symptomology) but they decline faster and have less culturable, infectious virus for the same level of mRNA load. And delta already spikes viral loads much, much higher in the presymptomatic phase of an infection (doesn't matter if its naive, breakthrough or reinfection) so that people are walking around spreading it before they know they have it. That ship already sailed. Once someone is infected, then its better that they get less symptoms and less viral load / less shedding and that they're vaccinated.
France_is_bacon 5y ago
While this may be true, one's ultimate responsibility is for oneself. Other people should be vaccinated, too, that is their responsibility. There's only so much that people who are being responsible and following the science can do. Also, while this Omicron is so new, I think anyone who is vaccinated should still wear a mask when around great numbers of other people, and other people should also wear their masks. And why would one go to a restaurant or other kinds of unmasked events, anyways, while this new variant of covid is so unknown? I wouldn't go to the Sturgis motorcycle event, vaccinated or not, booster shot or not, asymptomatic or symptomatic, masked or not masked. A lot of it has nothing to do with being vaccinated or not, but having common sense or not. It is not common sense to go to places where there can be a lot of people and hang out there.

lamontcg 5y ago

Transmissions and symptoms are roughly correlated through viral load. The household attack rate of ultimately asymptomatic infections is much lower than ultimately symptomatic. The window for vaccinated people is also shorter since mRNA loads peak at about the same levels (where the entry criteria for the study was the same level of symptomology) but they decline faster and have less culturable, infectious virus for the same level of mRNA load. And delta already spikes viral loads much, much higher in the presymptomatic phase of an infection (doesn't matter if its naive, breakthrough or reinfection) so that people are walking around spreading it before they know they have it. That ship already sailed. Once someone is infected, then its better that they get less symptoms and less viral load / less shedding and that they're vaccinated.

France_is_bacon 5y ago

While this may be true, one's ultimate responsibility is for oneself. Other people should be vaccinated, too, that is their responsibility. There's only so much that people who are being responsible and following the science can do. Also, while this Omicron is so new, I think anyone who is vaccinated should still wear a mask when around great numbers of other people, and other people should also wear their masks. And why would one go to a restaurant or other kinds of unmasked events, anyways, while this new variant of covid is so unknown? I wouldn't go to the Sturgis motorcycle event, vaccinated or not, booster shot or not, asymptomatic or symptomatic, masked or not masked. A lot of it has nothing to do with being vaccinated or not, but having common sense or not. It is not common sense to go to places where there can be a lot of people and hang out there.