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Not everything is a conspiracy against Tesla by the media. A lot of folks have legitimate concerns about the way Tesla markets, tests and operates it’s self-dr

Not everything is a conspiracy against Tesla by the media. A lot of folks have legitimate concerns about the way Tesla markets, tests and operates it’s self-driving systems and educates it’s customers about the limitations. This is a video from 5 years ago describing Tesla’s self driving features. https://vimeo.com/188105076 https://vimeo.com/188105076 I personally feel like Musk is writing checks his engineers can’t cash. A lot of the criticism of Tesla is invited by a stock price which a lot of folks think are propped up by mistruths and exaggerations about the future of company and the feasibility of it’s vision. Also, quite frankly I find the term “legacy automaker” infuriating. Toyota builds 9 million cars a year or 18x what Tesla does and Toyota has a legendary reputation for quality and reliability.

maxdo 5y ago
Tela's current production rate is at ~1m a year atm. And they doubled amount of their factories in 2022. So not 18x but 9x now and 4.5x a year or two after. They are in the same league nowadays. And they are doing that with 3 factories in 2 countries now. Compare that with Toyota :) Also Tesla outsold Toyota/Lexus in almost every country they operate in segments/pricing they compete by absolute volume. Toyota has also a reputation like any legacy car maker a reputation for selling you some crap like GPS for 10x the price. At least Tesla's overpriced autopilot approach works towards safety( the end goal level 5 system). And if you don't believe in it , not buying it will not make you getting from point a to point B more complicated. Tesla also sell every car "full package" in legacy car makers terms. Every camera, every seat ( except color), every screen detail, speakers , gps is the same in every model from the cheapest to the most expensive. Compare that to legacy makers trying to get 10x of every simple feature like seats heating. You need an App? Pay for it. You need firmaware upgrade go to service and pay for it.. Speaking of safety tesla's cars has always excellent security tests. Toyota don't. There are many things toyota lags behind. Like multi-media, autonomous driving, connectivity, software over the air, battery tech, electric motor design, manufacturing. So yeah, they are legacy atm. Legacy can have a good reputation, even perfect nothing wrong with it. They are legacy because as of 2021 they bet on legacy tech, their way to sell cars is legacy, their approach to packaging is legacy, their approach to safety is legacy... their way to produce cars is legacy. Toyota has quite good roadmap for 2-3 years, maybe they will get into modern world eventually.
- clouddrover 5y ago
  > They are legacy because as of 2021 they bet on legacy tech, their way to sell cars is legacy, their approach to packaging is legacy, their approach to safety is legacy... their way to produce cars is legacy. So why does Toyota sell more cars than Tesla?

maxdo 5y ago

Tela's current production rate is at ~1m a year atm. And they doubled amount of their factories in 2022. So not 18x but 9x now and 4.5x a year or two after. They are in the same league nowadays. And they are doing that with 3 factories in 2 countries now. Compare that with Toyota :) Also Tesla outsold Toyota/Lexus in almost every country they operate in segments/pricing they compete by absolute volume. Toyota has also a reputation like any legacy car maker a reputation for selling you some crap like GPS for 10x the price. At least Tesla's overpriced autopilot approach works towards safety( the end goal level 5 system). And if you don't believe in it , not buying it will not make you getting from point a to point B more complicated. Tesla also sell every car "full package" in legacy car makers terms. Every camera, every seat ( except color), every screen detail, speakers , gps is the same in every model from the cheapest to the most expensive. Compare that to legacy makers trying to get 10x of every simple feature like seats heating. You need an App? Pay for it. You need firmaware upgrade go to service and pay for it.. Speaking of safety tesla's cars has always excellent security tests. Toyota don't. There are many things toyota lags behind. Like multi-media, autonomous driving, connectivity, software over the air, battery tech, electric motor design, manufacturing. So yeah, they are legacy atm. Legacy can have a good reputation, even perfect nothing wrong with it. They are legacy because as of 2021 they bet on legacy tech, their way to sell cars is legacy, their approach to packaging is legacy, their approach to safety is legacy... their way to produce cars is legacy. Toyota has quite good roadmap for 2-3 years, maybe they will get into modern world eventually.

clouddrover 5y ago
> They are legacy because as of 2021 they bet on legacy tech, their way to sell cars is legacy, their approach to packaging is legacy, their approach to safety is legacy... their way to produce cars is legacy. So why does Toyota sell more cars than Tesla?