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> I don't understand stories like this that seem surprised that past cultures mourned loss Me neither. I wondered if the article is supposed to be subtly anti

> I don't understand stories like this that seem surprised that past cultures mourned loss Me neither. I wondered if the article is supposed to be subtly anti-abortion, but it's not like the website has any obvious links to anti-abortion political parties. It's just kinda weird. Yeah, don't all primates mourn infant death? Wikipedia tells me the Mesolithic period only began 20,000 years ago, so these would have been genetically modern humans. It's good when science finds obvious stuff, but we don't have to present it as shocking when it does.

WFHRenaissance 5y ago
>Child funerary treatment provides important insights into who was considered a person and afforded the attributes of an individual self, moral agency, and eligibility for group membership. Neve shows that even the youngest females were recognized as full persons in her society. Not so much anti-abortion, as contemplating the degree of personhood assigned to new humans in this culture. Kind of purposely divisive of you to claim that this article is subtly anti-abortion.
- SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
  That’s the part about this whole debate I don’t get. That it seems neither side is willing to accept we’ll never have an answer to that. You can’t actually know when life is or isn’t. Yet everything is an attack to someone. How do we make non-falsifiable claims and objective laws either way? “You aren’t a person until mommy says so” seems just as troublesome as “ending anything that could be a person is always murder”. I feel like I’m crazy for understanding both sides and not being hardline.
  - WFHRenaissance 5y ago
    > How do we make non-falsifiable claims and objective laws either way? “You aren’t a person until mommy says so” seems just as troublesome as “ending anything that could be a person is always murder”. You don't ;). Just gotta pick a value system and kind of push for your team to win. If you're in the US, we've kind of been operating in this BS emotivistic meta-ethical framework for like 70 years and I doubt we'll escape it any time soon. We'd need re-education camps in order to come to a consensus on a value system...

WFHRenaissance 5y ago

>Child funerary treatment provides important insights into who was considered a person and afforded the attributes of an individual self, moral agency, and eligibility for group membership. Neve shows that even the youngest females were recognized as full persons in her society. Not so much anti-abortion, as contemplating the degree of personhood assigned to new humans in this culture. Kind of purposely divisive of you to claim that this article is subtly anti-abortion.

SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
That’s the part about this whole debate I don’t get. That it seems neither side is willing to accept we’ll never have an answer to that. You can’t actually know when life is or isn’t. Yet everything is an attack to someone. How do we make non-falsifiable claims and objective laws either way? “You aren’t a person until mommy says so” seems just as troublesome as “ending anything that could be a person is always murder”. I feel like I’m crazy for understanding both sides and not being hardline.
- WFHRenaissance 5y ago
  > How do we make non-falsifiable claims and objective laws either way? “You aren’t a person until mommy says so” seems just as troublesome as “ending anything that could be a person is always murder”. You don't ;). Just gotta pick a value system and kind of push for your team to win. If you're in the US, we've kind of been operating in this BS emotivistic meta-ethical framework for like 70 years and I doubt we'll escape it any time soon. We'd need re-education camps in order to come to a consensus on a value system...