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I'm not particularly interested in playing "my anecdotal data is better than yours," so I won't. Mostly I just wanted to counter the implication that Boudin was

I'm not particularly interested in playing "my anecdotal data is better than yours," so I won't. Mostly I just wanted to counter the implication that Boudin was living in some sort of magical oasis, because he's not. I will point out that "isn't at the top of a hill" is not actually much of a distinction when you're talking about San Francisco. If there's one thing the city isn't short on, it's hills. NIMBY is correct. The neighborhoods are highly resistant to new construction.

diebeforei485 5y ago
It's not anecdotal that the Outer Sunset has lower crime than pretty much anywhere else in the city. This is clear from the crime data - not an anecdote. > I will point out that "isn't at the top of a hill" is not actually much of a distinction when you're talking about San Francisco. What? How does Haight-Ashbury compare to Ashbury Heights, Corona Heights, or Cole Valley? How does the Mission compare to Bernal Heights or Noe Valley, or even Potrero Hill? How does the Fillmore compare to Pac Heights? How does the Bayview compare to Portola, even? Again, take a look at the crime data. There are some exceptions in the stats (eg. Twin Peaks - but largely because of tourists getting their car broken into at the viewpoint) but by and large, top of a hill = less crime.
- BryantD 5y ago
  When you say ”the safest neighborhood in the city that isn't at the top of a hill,” you’re not eliminating a lot of neighborhoods. A relatively high percentage of SF neighborhoods are on hills; it’s a hilly city. My overall point here is that the Outer Sunset isn’t a super exclusionary neighborhood. You get that kind of rhetoric up here in Seattle, too: people like to imply that anyone with a progressive approach to crime must not live someplace that’s affected by crime. It’s usually untrue.

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I'm not particularly interested in playing "my anecdotal data is better than yours," so I won't. Mostly I just wanted to counter the implication that Boudin was

by BryantD 5y ago

diebeforei485 5y ago
It's not anecdotal that the Outer Sunset has lower crime than pretty much anywhere else in the city. This is clear from the crime data - not an anecdote. > I will point out that "isn't at the top of a hill" is not actually much of a distinction when you're talking about San Francisco. What? How does Haight-Ashbury compare to Ashbury Heights, Corona Heights, or Cole Valley? How does the Mission compare to Bernal Heights or Noe Valley, or even Potrero Hill? How does the Fillmore compare to Pac Heights? How does the Bayview compare to Portola, even? Again, take a look at the crime data. There are some exceptions in the stats (eg. Twin Peaks - but largely because of tourists getting their car broken into at the viewpoint) but by and large, top of a hill = less crime.
- BryantD 5y ago
  When you say ”the safest neighborhood in the city that isn't at the top of a hill,” you’re not eliminating a lot of neighborhoods. A relatively high percentage of SF neighborhoods are on hills; it’s a hilly city. My overall point here is that the Outer Sunset isn’t a super exclusionary neighborhood. You get that kind of rhetoric up here in Seattle, too: people like to imply that anyone with a progressive approach to crime must not live someplace that’s affected by crime. It’s usually untrue.