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I wonder if the GPLv3 violation pulls in TikTok's other software and infrastructure under it. That'd be one for the ages (like OpenWrt was [0]) if FSF manages t

I wonder if the GPLv3 violation pulls in TikTok's other software and infrastructure under it. That'd be one for the ages (like OpenWrt was [0]) if FSF manages to reign it in! [0] https://thenewstack.io/the-open-source-lesson-of-the-linksys-wrt54g-router/ https://thenewstack.io/the-open-source-lesson-of-the-linksys...

2Gkashmiri 5y ago
you are talking about the SSPL license, its not "open source license" like people will want you to believe but it sure is free software license giving more rights to users about where they get software/utility out of software
borodi 5y ago
OBS is GPLv2 so I don't think it would get to that level. Tho if the other GPL code is v3 then who knows.
- munk-a 5y ago
  It really depends on the usage - if serverside components are also using OBS libraries for something then they'd be violating a contract in their server code regardless of the license version.
  - _flux 5y ago
    The use of GPLv2 code is fine for plain internal use. Only when you distribute the GPLv2-using binaries to third parties comes the license in play: you must provide also the source code to those third parties.
dathinab 5y ago
No it doesn't that's not how GPL (or any license) works. What happens is that it's a breach of contract (licenses are contracts) which lead to an termination that contract (1) (license) which grants the usage rights (copyright) for the software. Which leads a company to (roughly) following choices: - start complying with the license in time "before" the license gets invalidated - buy a proprietary license from the license holder - stop using the software, and pay damages for previous usage/contract violation/copyright infringement(1) This means you are not ever forced by law to release your software under GPL, but you might be forced by economics to do so, as you might not be able to afford not doing so (or it's just simply cheaper). (1): The topic how/when the contract becomes invalid and for which terms you can sue is tricky, and depends on the country in question. EDIT: Also even if GPL would work like that, there is no reason why e.g. their non-OBS boundled apps or infrastructure should be affected.
- overeater 5y ago
  In option 1, when does the license get invalidated? Is it invalidated in the first place because the offending software broke the license? Or is it invalidated after notification from OBS? Or even later, after some amount of time after notification and non-correction? If it's violated before notification, then option 1 is not possible, and option 2 is at the discretion of OBS, so option 3 is the only real legal outcome. But if it's violated after notification, it seems like the optimal strategy for any company using GPL software is to not comply, until they are notified of violation, which apparently is not that common unless you're already a major product.
  - jacobr1 5y ago
    https://lwn.net/Articles/61292/ https://lwn.net/Articles/61292/ provides a great explanation > There is no provision in the Copyright Act to require distribution of infringing work on altered terms. What copyright plaintiffs are entitled to, under the Act, are damages, injunctions to prevent infringing distribution, and--where appropriate--attorneys' fees. A defendant found to have wrongfully included GPL'd code in its own proprietary work can be mulcted in damages for the distribution that has already occurred, and prevented from distributing its product further. That's a sufficient disincentive to make wrongful use of GPL'd program code. And it is all that the Copyright Act permits.
    - rhizome 5y ago
      New word to me day! Mulct: extract money via tax or fine.
      - CRConrad 5y ago
        Oh, I thought it was a variant of "mulch". As in, since these laws were basically written for books and other paper products, have the entire print run shredded.
    - pabs3 5y ago
      I thought the latest lawsuit from Software Freedom Conservancy was interesting, they are suing as a third-party beneficiary of the GPL (not as a copyright holder, although they probably could do that too in this case) and seeking specific performance of the GPL violator (Vizio) and of course legal costs, but no damages. The specific performance they want is of course GPL compliance. As part of the case, they are basically saying that the GPL is a contract and the contract says that third-parties can get benefits and so they want those benefits. Frankly this is a brilliant case and if they win the precedent will allow anyone to sue over GPL violation. If any trolls try it, all they get is GPL compliance, so they have no incentive to try it. https://sfconservancy.org/copyleft-compliance/vizio.html https://sfconservancy.org/copyleft-compliance/vizio.html

2Gkashmiri 5y ago

you are talking about the SSPL license, its not "open source license" like people will want you to believe but it sure is free software license giving more rights to users about where they get software/utility out of software

borodi 5y ago

OBS is GPLv2 so I don't think it would get to that level. Tho if the other GPL code is v3 then who knows.

munk-a 5y ago
It really depends on the usage - if serverside components are also using OBS libraries for something then they'd be violating a contract in their server code regardless of the license version.
- _flux 5y ago
  The use of GPLv2 code is fine for plain internal use. Only when you distribute the GPLv2-using binaries to third parties comes the license in play: you must provide also the source code to those third parties.

dathinab 5y ago

No it doesn't that's not how GPL (or any license) works. What happens is that it's a breach of contract (licenses are contracts) which lead to an termination that contract (1) (license) which grants the usage rights (copyright) for the software. Which leads a company to (roughly) following choices: - start complying with the license in time "before" the license gets invalidated - buy a proprietary license from the license holder - stop using the software, and pay damages for previous usage/contract violation/copyright infringement(1) This means you are not ever forced by law to release your software under GPL, but you might be forced by economics to do so, as you might not be able to afford not doing so (or it's just simply cheaper). (1): The topic how/when the contract becomes invalid and for which terms you can sue is tricky, and depends on the country in question. EDIT: Also even if GPL would work like that, there is no reason why e.g. their non-OBS boundled apps or infrastructure should be affected.

overeater 5y ago
In option 1, when does the license get invalidated? Is it invalidated in the first place because the offending software broke the license? Or is it invalidated after notification from OBS? Or even later, after some amount of time after notification and non-correction? If it's violated before notification, then option 1 is not possible, and option 2 is at the discretion of OBS, so option 3 is the only real legal outcome. But if it's violated after notification, it seems like the optimal strategy for any company using GPL software is to not comply, until they are notified of violation, which apparently is not that common unless you're already a major product.
- jacobr1 5y ago
  https://lwn.net/Articles/61292/ https://lwn.net/Articles/61292/ provides a great explanation > There is no provision in the Copyright Act to require distribution of infringing work on altered terms. What copyright plaintiffs are entitled to, under the Act, are damages, injunctions to prevent infringing distribution, and--where appropriate--attorneys' fees. A defendant found to have wrongfully included GPL'd code in its own proprietary work can be mulcted in damages for the distribution that has already occurred, and prevented from distributing its product further. That's a sufficient disincentive to make wrongful use of GPL'd program code. And it is all that the Copyright Act permits.
  - rhizome 5y ago
    New word to me day! Mulct: extract money via tax or fine.
    - CRConrad 5y ago
      Oh, I thought it was a variant of "mulch". As in, since these laws were basically written for books and other paper products, have the entire print run shredded.
  - pabs3 5y ago
    I thought the latest lawsuit from Software Freedom Conservancy was interesting, they are suing as a third-party beneficiary of the GPL (not as a copyright holder, although they probably could do that too in this case) and seeking specific performance of the GPL violator (Vizio) and of course legal costs, but no damages. The specific performance they want is of course GPL compliance. As part of the case, they are basically saying that the GPL is a contract and the contract says that third-parties can get benefits and so they want those benefits. Frankly this is a brilliant case and if they win the precedent will allow anyone to sue over GPL violation. If any trolls try it, all they get is GPL compliance, so they have no incentive to try it. https://sfconservancy.org/copyleft-compliance/vizio.html https://sfconservancy.org/copyleft-compliance/vizio.html