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"You are moving goalposts" proceeds to move goalposts ByteDance doesn't issue such reports because everyone knows they cannot refuse a request by their govern
by fortuna86 5y ago
"You are moving goalposts"
proceeds to move goalposts
ByteDance doesn't issue such reports because everyone knows they cannot refuse a request by their government. Any report that says otherwise would be, as you say, "PR material".
- trasz 5y agoSame way US-based companies can’t refuse gag orders and other kangaroo “secret courts”.
- fortuna86 5y agoUS companies can and often do refuse federal law enforcement requests, then they tell the world about it. Two things not done, ever, in China. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI%E2%80%93Apple_encryption_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI%E2%80%93Apple_encryption_d...
- trasz 5y agoLaw enforcement - sure. But not American security agencies, thanks to gag orders and secret "security courts".
- fortuna86 5y agoAgain, your comparison falls apart right away. 1. There is a court in the US (called FISA), with procedure and some transparency. Neither exists in China. 2. Requests have been denied, just not that many. (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/fisa-court-has-only-denied-nsa-request-once-past-5-years-180951313/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/fisa-court-has-onl...) But that proves they have the ability to say no, which is what we are discussing. 3. All of the above can be improved, but shifting the argument to "what's bad about the US system" away from "what China is actually doing" is drifting into deflection.