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I do feel fortunate I don't live in a totalitarian society. I feel gratitude for those who fought to make it possible. I hope our descendents get to feel the

I do feel fortunate I don't live in a totalitarian society. I feel gratitude for those who fought to make it possible. I hope our descendents get to feel the same way.

ASalazarMX 5y ago
It's a public health issue, not the British invading USA. There's zero need to introduce politics into a worldwide health disaster. If you so love human rights and freedom, you could start by supporting real government overreach like abortion outlawing, inhuman treatment of immigrants, offshore prisons where human rights are ignored, gerrymandering to twist votes towards a single party, insider stock trading from senators, and a long etc. Fighting vaccines and hygienic measures during a global pandemic won't make you an American hero.
- disambiguation 5y ago
  What about my comment was political or partisan? And while I hate to indulge whataboutism, you should know I do care about and have opinions on all of those things. It remains to be seen whether or not you care about rushing to judgements about others. This is a thread about covid, and the usual internet edicit is to stay on topic, so I'm not going to discuss those things here. I'm not fighting doctors or medical science. I'm opposing bad policies made by non experts, and/or experts with conflicts of interest.
  - ASalazarMX 5y ago
    You gave me the impression of equating governments enforcing sanitation and health measures with political manipulation. You said that diseases don't give government the right to do as they please, and later mentioned the public fear since the twin towers attack. I completely understand that governments have eroded their reputation by their own actions, but in this case I'm supportive of vaccination and sanitation. This is not a terrorist attack, this is a very contagious disease that hasn't ceased to evolve because people keep hosting it and giving it chance to mutate. You don't have to trust the government to understand that their actions are reasonable and supported by science in this topic.
    - disambiguation 5y ago
      There are two views you can take of the world. You can take it at face value, or you can search for deeper meaning. If we take current events at face value, then yes covid is a real problem, the vaccine really helps, and governments are acting in the interest of the public with health and safety measures. But if you look behind the curtain, there is so much more going on. It remains to be seen just how much manipulation is involved. My analogy to the war on terror is meant to have layers. After the initial attack there was a patriotic fervor and an outcry for retribution. The "war on terror" was a justified response to the demand for national security. It's not until years later that much of the story we were told at the time had been revealed to contain false truths. The WMDs never existed. The Saudis were connected to the attackers. Our prolonged engagement in Afghanistan, a means to funnel billions (trillions?) to security contractors. The pentagon. Tower 7. Etc. There's a enough information to confound the official narrative, and we still don't have all the answers. I doubt we ever will. The pandemic mirrors this in many ways already. The global outcry, the unprecedented scale of government intervention. "You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists" parallels today's divide. It wasn't something you could say no to then, and it's not something you can say no to now. To say these thing simply erode trust is a pittance. This plants a seed in one's mind that there are in fact manipulators at the highest levels of our institutions. There is even more evidence of this in the world today ex. Jeffery epstein and the ongoing maxwell trials. But maybe none of that applies to the current events. Perhaps my speculation is unwarranted. Sometimes the world simply is what it seems, and you have to take it at face value. But more often than not I've found the world is a lot like poker, and by the time you have all the information it's already too late.
      - ASalazarMX 5y ago
        I don't think it's fair comparing the war on terror with the current pandemic handling. Back then the government attitude was "You killed 3,000 proud Americans, we will avenge them by killing 300,000 Arabs! A eye for a hundred eyes!". It was clear from day one that USA was overreacting, and doing it in a way that was suspiciously profitable. The WHO is very different than the military industry complex, they're not taking over the world, they making recommendations based on evolving scientific data, and the governments of the world are free to ignore them because not even the UN has enough authority to force them. That so many shitty governments have accepted those recommendations to some degree is a miracle, owed much in part to the effort of their own scientists.

I do feel fortunate I don't live in a totalitarian society. I feel gratitude for those who fought to make it possible. I hope our descendents get to feel the same way.

ASalazarMX 5y ago

It's a public health issue, not the British invading USA. There's zero need to introduce politics into a worldwide health disaster. If you so love human rights and freedom, you could start by supporting real government overreach like abortion outlawing, inhuman treatment of immigrants, offshore prisons where human rights are ignored, gerrymandering to twist votes towards a single party, insider stock trading from senators, and a long etc. Fighting vaccines and hygienic measures during a global pandemic won't make you an American hero.

disambiguation 5y ago
What about my comment was political or partisan? And while I hate to indulge whataboutism, you should know I do care about and have opinions on all of those things. It remains to be seen whether or not you care about rushing to judgements about others. This is a thread about covid, and the usual internet edicit is to stay on topic, so I'm not going to discuss those things here. I'm not fighting doctors or medical science. I'm opposing bad policies made by non experts, and/or experts with conflicts of interest.
- ASalazarMX 5y ago
  You gave me the impression of equating governments enforcing sanitation and health measures with political manipulation. You said that diseases don't give government the right to do as they please, and later mentioned the public fear since the twin towers attack. I completely understand that governments have eroded their reputation by their own actions, but in this case I'm supportive of vaccination and sanitation. This is not a terrorist attack, this is a very contagious disease that hasn't ceased to evolve because people keep hosting it and giving it chance to mutate. You don't have to trust the government to understand that their actions are reasonable and supported by science in this topic.
  - disambiguation 5y ago
    There are two views you can take of the world. You can take it at face value, or you can search for deeper meaning. If we take current events at face value, then yes covid is a real problem, the vaccine really helps, and governments are acting in the interest of the public with health and safety measures. But if you look behind the curtain, there is so much more going on. It remains to be seen just how much manipulation is involved. My analogy to the war on terror is meant to have layers. After the initial attack there was a patriotic fervor and an outcry for retribution. The "war on terror" was a justified response to the demand for national security. It's not until years later that much of the story we were told at the time had been revealed to contain false truths. The WMDs never existed. The Saudis were connected to the attackers. Our prolonged engagement in Afghanistan, a means to funnel billions (trillions?) to security contractors. The pentagon. Tower 7. Etc. There's a enough information to confound the official narrative, and we still don't have all the answers. I doubt we ever will. The pandemic mirrors this in many ways already. The global outcry, the unprecedented scale of government intervention. "You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists" parallels today's divide. It wasn't something you could say no to then, and it's not something you can say no to now. To say these thing simply erode trust is a pittance. This plants a seed in one's mind that there are in fact manipulators at the highest levels of our institutions. There is even more evidence of this in the world today ex. Jeffery epstein and the ongoing maxwell trials. But maybe none of that applies to the current events. Perhaps my speculation is unwarranted. Sometimes the world simply is what it seems, and you have to take it at face value. But more often than not I've found the world is a lot like poker, and by the time you have all the information it's already too late.
    - ASalazarMX 5y ago
      I don't think it's fair comparing the war on terror with the current pandemic handling. Back then the government attitude was "You killed 3,000 proud Americans, we will avenge them by killing 300,000 Arabs! A eye for a hundred eyes!". It was clear from day one that USA was overreacting, and doing it in a way that was suspiciously profitable. The WHO is very different than the military industry complex, they're not taking over the world, they making recommendations based on evolving scientific data, and the governments of the world are free to ignore them because not even the UN has enough authority to force them. That so many shitty governments have accepted those recommendations to some degree is a miracle, owed much in part to the effort of their own scientists.