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The SFPD were defunded, staff left in droves due to a cargo culting 'social democrat' political climate that was openly hostile to them. Cops are one wrong move

The SFPD were defunded, staff left in droves due to a cargo culting 'social democrat' political climate that was openly hostile to them. Cops are one wrong move away from being in jail themselves in an increasingly lawless bay area environment. This has reached crisis level and the subtleties of community policing vs law enforcement, and restorative justice experiments have been blown to smithereens by ham fisted, tone deaf ideologues such as DA Boudin. It will take decades to recover from this and is a societal disaster IMO, especially those who are most vulnerable.

long_time_gone 5y ago
==The SFPD were defunded== Citation please. How much money was taken away and where was it put? ==especially those who are most vulnerable.== Am I to believe that the staff who fled the department because they disagreed with the politics are now deeply concerned about the "most vulnerable"? Seems the best way to help them would be to focus away from after-the-fact prosecution and instead on community outreach.
- olivermarks 5y ago
  not hard to find information online about this https://www.audacy.com/kcbsradio/news/local/san-francisco-police-spread-thin-amid-staffing-shortages https://www.audacy.com/kcbsradio/news/local/san-francisco-po... etc etc
  - long_time_gone 5y ago
    That articles is about staffing shortages because people retired, not about "de-funding".
jonathankoren 5y ago
> The SFPD were defunded, staff left in droves due to a cargo culting 'social democrat' political climate that was openly hostile to them. Citation needed. Seriously. NO ONE has been defunded anywhere in the country. https://www.sfweekly.com/news/is-san-francisco-re-funding-the-police/ https://www.sfweekly.com/news/is-san-francisco-re-funding-th...
yardie 5y ago
> The SFPD were defunded, staff left in droves You got a citation on this? Because even my city is "defunding the police" because of a budget shortage. And defunding other city services for the same reason. Police leaving in droves, according to Fox News turned out to be 90% retirement. > Cops are one wrong move away from being in jail themselves Okay, Tucker Carlson, sure ;-)
- olivermarks 5y ago
  https://twitter.com/LondonBreed/status/1471918546812690434 https://twitter.com/LondonBreed/status/1471918546812690434 Mayor Breed just declared a state of emergency in the Tenderloin regarding the open drug scene there.
  - long_time_gone 5y ago
    This is still not the "de-funding" you promised us.
    - olivermarks 5y ago
      I didn't 'promise' anything, what do you mean? Who is 'us'? Regarding defunding, a very quick google search will give you the information you're looking for assuming you are in the USA. Separately there has been attrition at the SFPD due to people taking early retirement or moving to easier policing jobs elsewhere. https://abc7news.com/san-francisco-budget-announcement-defund-sfpd-the-police-london-breed-press-conference/6345069/ https://abc7news.com/san-francisco-budget-announcement-defun...
      - yardie 5y ago
        "The mayor also highlighted other changes in 2020-21 and 2021-22 budgets, designed to deal with a $1.5 billion shortfall amid the ongoing coronavirus pandemic."
      - long_time_gone 5y ago
        Your first comment: ==The SFPD were defunded== You have not provided any evidence of this claim, attrition is not "de-funding". I appreciate the link for the article on a proposed budget. I did some google searching (as you suggested) and found some more updated information. The budget has gone up 50% over 10 years, hardly de-funded. "For the proposed 2021-22 budget, the San Francisco Police Department’s allocation will decrease by $6 million, from about $668 million to $661 million. Those cuts can nearly all be attributed to decreased demand for police at the airport. However, in the following fiscal year, the city projects the police budget will increase once again to $689 million. That’s close to the police budget’s all-time high of $692 million in FY 2019-20. By way of comparison, in FY 2010-11, the police budget weighed in at $445 million." https://www.sfweekly.com/news/is-san-francisco-re-funding-the-police/ https://www.sfweekly.com/news/is-san-francisco-re-funding-th...
Clubber 5y ago
>Cops are one wrong move away from being in jail themselves So what, I'm one wrong move away from being in jail. Everyone is. That's how law works.
- olivermarks 5y ago
  unless the DA only decides to prosecute cases he feels are important, as is the case with Boudin https://www.safersfwithoutboudin.com https://www.safersfwithoutboudin.com

long_time_gone 5y ago

==The SFPD were defunded== Citation please. How much money was taken away and where was it put? ==especially those who are most vulnerable.== Am I to believe that the staff who fled the department because they disagreed with the politics are now deeply concerned about the "most vulnerable"? Seems the best way to help them would be to focus away from after-the-fact prosecution and instead on community outreach.

olivermarks 5y ago
not hard to find information online about this https://www.audacy.com/kcbsradio/news/local/san-francisco-police-spread-thin-amid-staffing-shortages https://www.audacy.com/kcbsradio/news/local/san-francisco-po... etc etc
- long_time_gone 5y ago
  That articles is about staffing shortages because people retired, not about "de-funding".

jonathankoren 5y ago

> The SFPD were defunded, staff left in droves due to a cargo culting 'social democrat' political climate that was openly hostile to them. Citation needed. Seriously. NO ONE has been defunded anywhere in the country. https://www.sfweekly.com/news/is-san-francisco-re-funding-the-police/ https://www.sfweekly.com/news/is-san-francisco-re-funding-th...

yardie 5y ago

> The SFPD were defunded, staff left in droves You got a citation on this? Because even my city is "defunding the police" because of a budget shortage. And defunding other city services for the same reason. Police leaving in droves, according to Fox News turned out to be 90% retirement. > Cops are one wrong move away from being in jail themselves Okay, Tucker Carlson, sure ;-)

olivermarks 5y ago
https://twitter.com/LondonBreed/status/1471918546812690434 https://twitter.com/LondonBreed/status/1471918546812690434 Mayor Breed just declared a state of emergency in the Tenderloin regarding the open drug scene there.
- long_time_gone 5y ago
  This is still not the "de-funding" you promised us.
  - olivermarks 5y ago
    I didn't 'promise' anything, what do you mean? Who is 'us'? Regarding defunding, a very quick google search will give you the information you're looking for assuming you are in the USA. Separately there has been attrition at the SFPD due to people taking early retirement or moving to easier policing jobs elsewhere. https://abc7news.com/san-francisco-budget-announcement-defund-sfpd-the-police-london-breed-press-conference/6345069/ https://abc7news.com/san-francisco-budget-announcement-defun...
    - yardie 5y ago
      "The mayor also highlighted other changes in 2020-21 and 2021-22 budgets, designed to deal with a $1.5 billion shortfall amid the ongoing coronavirus pandemic."
    - long_time_gone 5y ago
      Your first comment: ==The SFPD were defunded== You have not provided any evidence of this claim, attrition is not "de-funding". I appreciate the link for the article on a proposed budget. I did some google searching (as you suggested) and found some more updated information. The budget has gone up 50% over 10 years, hardly de-funded. "For the proposed 2021-22 budget, the San Francisco Police Department’s allocation will decrease by $6 million, from about $668 million to $661 million. Those cuts can nearly all be attributed to decreased demand for police at the airport. However, in the following fiscal year, the city projects the police budget will increase once again to $689 million. That’s close to the police budget’s all-time high of $692 million in FY 2019-20. By way of comparison, in FY 2010-11, the police budget weighed in at $445 million." https://www.sfweekly.com/news/is-san-francisco-re-funding-the-police/ https://www.sfweekly.com/news/is-san-francisco-re-funding-th...

Clubber 5y ago

>Cops are one wrong move away from being in jail themselves So what, I'm one wrong move away from being in jail. Everyone is. That's how law works.

olivermarks 5y ago
unless the DA only decides to prosecute cases he feels are important, as is the case with Boudin https://www.safersfwithoutboudin.com https://www.safersfwithoutboudin.com