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Beautifully put, what an excellent way to demonstrate what seperates the authoritarian mindset from the liberal mindset.
by BoxOfRain 5y ago
Beautifully put, what an excellent way to demonstrate what seperates the authoritarian mindset from the liberal mindset.
- avgcorrection 5y ago[flagged]
- dnautics 5y agoand also China invaded Vietnam after the US did. Everyone is a piece of shit.
- avgcorrection 5y agoWhich was my point.
- dnautics 5y agoWhy are you comparing universities to states?
- avgcorrection 5y agoI am?
- dnautics 5y agoyes, you are.
- avgcorrection 5y agoI don’t think that I am. My flagged reply was to a comment about the difference between the “liberal” and the “authoritarian” mindset. Some university has not invaded any country. In fact it hasn’t even done anything wrong—it has just condemned political persecution, which is just admirable if anything. Could a reply to some statement like “the X mindset” be about ideologies in general and not directly about what we just read in the linked article? Several replies from the top of the thread? No. Surely not.
- dnautics 5y agowell, at least it seems like you understand why people flagged your comment in the first place. Maybe in the future don't bring up unnecessary generalizations that muddy the discussion?
- avgcorrection 5y agoYes sir, I have learned my lesson. Not really haha. I have no problem replying to a generalization—and “the liberal and authorian mindset” are definitely generalizations! People flagged my comment because they are attached to the “liberal mindset”. That much is obvious.
- ddoolin 5y agoWhat's your point? That doesn't exclude US Americans from offering criticism. We are not all one entity, there's ~300M of us. Many of us had nothing to do with Vietnam and I can damn near guarantee wouldn't repeat that decision today.
- avgcorrection 5y ago> That doesn't exclude US Americans from offering criticism. I wasn’t replying to the criticism. I was replying to the comparison to the “liberal mindset”. If liberal democracies hadn’t invaded countries in order to stop the spread of ideas then the comment would have been fine.
- CamperBob2 5y agoWhile flawed in practice, I think the so-called "domino theory" had some valid roots in the so-called Paradox of Tolerance. It's hard to dispute one historical aspect of communism in particular, namely that it cannot tolerate competing ideologies. The only way to implement communism is through the use of force; it's not something free people will adopt voluntarily. I may think of myself as a tolerant person, but if you have to stick a gun in my back to make me practice your ideology -- which you do -- why should I be required to tolerate that? It can be argued that it's a moral responsibility to stop the spread of such a pathological system of thought by any means necessary, just as if we were fighting an infectious disease. I won't go that far personally, but others in America did, and the wars in Korea and Viet Nam were the result. Not so much an apology as an (admittedly oversimplified) explanation.
- avgcorrection 5y agoNice abuse of Popper’s phrase. Of course you have just hoisted yourself on your own petard: it’s hard to dispute that American capitalism cannot tolerate competing ideologies, evidenced by (e.g.) The Vietnam War and Korean War. But now I am just repeating my original comment. You also have another glaring problem to address: it is very easy and simple to tolerate the kind of socialism/communism where an independent nation state wants to use it’s own national resources instead of opening it up to foreign private interests. No one is harmed by that.[1] I guess the CIA just had a very eccentric interpretation of Popper. [1] Unless you want to get real Red Scare and concoct some crazy theory about how those small nation states are really puppets of the Soviet Union who will use those resources to eventually nuke the Free World… and therefore War is Peace, Paradox of Tolerance and all that.
- iszomer 5y agoWhat a strange parallel to draw when it comes to the actions of the current Democrats and Republicans in our House and Senate along with the current presidency and adminstration.
- drak0n1c 5y agoIt's pretty clear that in the context of the comment the usage of small-l liberal was referring to the classical ideal, not the homonym label misused in contemporary American politics.
- iszomer 5y agoI meant to mention that, thanks for clarifying.
- userbinator 5y agoPerhaps libertarian would be a closer match.