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> Would China tolerate US "students" on their land spying, attempting to project US power, or abusing others on their land? China is the worlds weird abusive e

> Would China tolerate US "students" on their land spying, attempting to project US power, or abusing others on their land? China is the worlds weird abusive ex-boyfriend.

toss1 5y ago
yup, abusive, and stalking. Including on HN - every single HN post that opposed CCP actions gets resistance from the handful of guaranteed downvotes to verbose advocacy. Russia has been the undisputed world champion of dezinformatsyia for over a century, but it looks like CCP is coming for their title , especially with their push into the US academic-military realm (and they are shameless about copying US tech, surprising for a culture that values face-saving).
- dang 5y ago
  > every single HN post that opposed CCP actions gets resistance from the handful of guaranteed downvotes to verbose advocacy That is so extremely far from the case that I think it may be a classic example of the notice-dislike bias (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20dislike%20notice&sort=byDate&type=story&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...).
  - toss1 5y ago
    Perhaps. Indeed, I haven't done a controlled study. It has just jumped out at me how consistently and reliably items on that topic generate those responses. It's also consistent with available open-source info on ops of the CCP and Russian govt. which include social media trolling to promote their POV, undermine rival POVs, and/or sow discord (and considering the ROI on such ops, they'd be negligent to not do them considering there's no resistance). In any case, I'll take a closer look before commenting.
    - FpUser 5y ago
      >"which include social media trolling to promote their POV, undermine rival POVs, and/or sow discord" If you really believe that the other side does not do exactly the same I have a bridge to sell. China and Russia are geopolitical rivals of the US. The US will not tolerate it and will use anything to counter. Including that trolling you just mentioned. And I would not blame the US for doing it. It is natural (not saying it is anything good) and every country pulls blanket to their side. Just do not be a hypocrite.
      - toss1 5y ago
        I'm not expressing an opinion or any information on US-originated psyops as it applies to foreign social media. As you, I'd expect that it exists, but I have little information on the extent. I'd assume it is competent, but it isn't relevant here, since the overall topic is about CCP operations on the grounds of a US university and operations here in a US-based online forum. If you have information of interest on US ops in foreign (to the US) social media, please post it!
        FpUser 5y ago
        >"since the overall topic is about CCP operations on the grounds of a US university" Then why mention Russian psyops here? Had you stuck purely to CCP matters I'd believe you. >"If you have information of interest on US ops in foreign (to the US) social media, please post it!" Really? What am I for you, free QA?
        dang 5y ago
        Please don't be a jerk on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - dang 5y ago
      > It has just jumped out at me I don't mean to pile on, but this is exactly the point: what jumps out at each of us is precisely the stuff that we find most disagreeable. If you had the opposite preference, opposite stuff would jump out. The effect that this has is very strong, and the conclusions it produces are completely unreliable. (I'm talking about all of us here, not you personally!)

> Would China tolerate US "students" on their land spying, attempting to project US power, or abusing others on their land? China is the worlds weird abusive ex-boyfriend.

toss1 5y ago

yup, abusive, and stalking. Including on HN - every single HN post that opposed CCP actions gets resistance from the handful of guaranteed downvotes to verbose advocacy. Russia has been the undisputed world champion of dezinformatsyia for over a century, but it looks like CCP is coming for their title , especially with their push into the US academic-military realm (and they are shameless about copying US tech, surprising for a culture that values face-saving).

dang 5y ago
> every single HN post that opposed CCP actions gets resistance from the handful of guaranteed downvotes to verbose advocacy That is so extremely far from the case that I think it may be a classic example of the notice-dislike bias (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20dislike%20notice&sort=byDate&type=story&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...).
- toss1 5y ago
  Perhaps. Indeed, I haven't done a controlled study. It has just jumped out at me how consistently and reliably items on that topic generate those responses. It's also consistent with available open-source info on ops of the CCP and Russian govt. which include social media trolling to promote their POV, undermine rival POVs, and/or sow discord (and considering the ROI on such ops, they'd be negligent to not do them considering there's no resistance). In any case, I'll take a closer look before commenting.
  - FpUser 5y ago
    >"which include social media trolling to promote their POV, undermine rival POVs, and/or sow discord" If you really believe that the other side does not do exactly the same I have a bridge to sell. China and Russia are geopolitical rivals of the US. The US will not tolerate it and will use anything to counter. Including that trolling you just mentioned. And I would not blame the US for doing it. It is natural (not saying it is anything good) and every country pulls blanket to their side. Just do not be a hypocrite.
    - toss1 5y ago
      I'm not expressing an opinion or any information on US-originated psyops as it applies to foreign social media. As you, I'd expect that it exists, but I have little information on the extent. I'd assume it is competent, but it isn't relevant here, since the overall topic is about CCP operations on the grounds of a US university and operations here in a US-based online forum. If you have information of interest on US ops in foreign (to the US) social media, please post it!
      - FpUser 5y ago
        >"since the overall topic is about CCP operations on the grounds of a US university" Then why mention Russian psyops here? Had you stuck purely to CCP matters I'd believe you. >"If you have information of interest on US ops in foreign (to the US) social media, please post it!" Really? What am I for you, free QA?
        dang 5y ago
        Please don't be a jerk on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - dang 5y ago
    > It has just jumped out at me I don't mean to pile on, but this is exactly the point: what jumps out at each of us is precisely the stuff that we find most disagreeable. If you had the opposite preference, opposite stuff would jump out. The effect that this has is very strong, and the conclusions it produces are completely unreliable. (I'm talking about all of us here, not you personally!)