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I agree with this perspective and it’s part of the reason I’ve been considering moving into the city — it seems like a tech diaspora could relieve many of the p

by anp 5y ago

I agree with this perspective and it’s part of the reason I’ve been considering moving into the city — it seems like a tech diaspora could relieve many of the pressures on SF in the coming years that would allow it to grow back in the direction of its prior reputation as a cultural center.

throwhauser 5y ago
If the Bay Area struggles to deal with an influx of tech workers, why would it struggle any less to deal with an influx of artists? There would be fewer dollars chasing the housing, but that doesn't make more housing available. The Bay Area has chosen stasis. That doesn't bode well for its revival as a cultural center.
- almost_usual 5y ago
  You’re getting downvoted but it’s true. After the dot bomb there were the influx of ‘creative’ hipsters with an art degree their parents bought them gentrifying neighborhoods. Then they got priced out by techies. SF is an attractive place so it attracts people, the vulnerable communities with less resources get pressure.
- majormajor 5y ago
  That sort of art scene is famously broke, so there's a financially-imposed limit on the influx. The hipster influx that was followed by the tech influx were both fueled by steadily rising disposable income (whether from trust-fund hipsters or highly-paid tech workers, later). I don't think a starving artist influx is likely though because there's a substantial cohort of independently-wealthy people (from the US tech industry, from other US industries, and from abroad) that are going to continue to live in places with desirable climate/amenities/scenery/cultural centers/etc even if the jobs of the newly-high-income move around. So it'll probably just go back to circa-2010-hipster-less-expensive-but-still-expensive levels.
- opportune 5y ago
  A lot of people are trying hard to reverse the stasis. I think eventually we will be successful, but it will take a long time.

by anp 5y ago

throwhauser 5y ago

If the Bay Area struggles to deal with an influx of tech workers, why would it struggle any less to deal with an influx of artists? There would be fewer dollars chasing the housing, but that doesn't make more housing available. The Bay Area has chosen stasis. That doesn't bode well for its revival as a cultural center.

almost_usual 5y ago
You’re getting downvoted but it’s true. After the dot bomb there were the influx of ‘creative’ hipsters with an art degree their parents bought them gentrifying neighborhoods. Then they got priced out by techies. SF is an attractive place so it attracts people, the vulnerable communities with less resources get pressure.
majormajor 5y ago
That sort of art scene is famously broke, so there's a financially-imposed limit on the influx. The hipster influx that was followed by the tech influx were both fueled by steadily rising disposable income (whether from trust-fund hipsters or highly-paid tech workers, later). I don't think a starving artist influx is likely though because there's a substantial cohort of independently-wealthy people (from the US tech industry, from other US industries, and from abroad) that are going to continue to live in places with desirable climate/amenities/scenery/cultural centers/etc even if the jobs of the newly-high-income move around. So it'll probably just go back to circa-2010-hipster-less-expensive-but-still-expensive levels.
opportune 5y ago
A lot of people are trying hard to reverse the stasis. I think eventually we will be successful, but it will take a long time.