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The whole "woke culture" is definitely not considered centrist.

SaberTail 5y ago
You'll find most extreme leftists (by that I mean marxists, maoists, dedicated anarchists) don't care much about "woke culture", because they care much more about class divisions than racial or gender or sexuality or other divisions. "Woke culture" is primarily a center-left phenomenon.
- sanxiyn 5y ago
  Yes, but most center left is not woke. It's particularly American and Bay Area thing, weird to global central left.
- rufus_foreman 5y ago
  Some of the founders of Black Lives Matter described themselves as Marxist, and it was that organization that popularized the term. And for them it would be a mistake to focus only on class. They would argue that there are multiple systems of oppression that interact with each other and need to be considered as a whole rather than individually, the critical race theory term for that is intersectionality. I don't consider critical race theory to be a center-left phenomenon. Right wing politicians would be overjoyed to find out that people on the center-left do.
nopenopenopeno 5y ago
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imilk 5y ago
For the last few years, the only people using the word "woke" are constantly outraged conservative commentators. It's impossible to take you seriously when you use terms like that. Since I don't exist in that bubble, can you define "woke" & "woke culture"?
- rufus_foreman 5y ago
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  - imilk 5y ago
    Since I don't exist in that bubble, can you define "woke" & "woke culture"?
    - rufus_foreman 5y ago
      It was added to the Merriam-Webster dictionary in 2017: chiefly US slang : aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice) But we will only succeed if we reject the growing pressure to retreat into cynicism and hopelessness. … We have a moral obligation to "stay woke," take a stand and be active; challenging injustices and racism in our communities and fighting hatred and discrimination wherever it rises. — Barbara Lee … argued that … Brad Pitt is not only woke, but the wokest man in Hollywood … because he uses his status—and his production company Plan B—to create space for artists of color, with such films as 12 Years a Slave, Selma, and the upcoming film Moonlight. — Giselle Defares
      - imilk 5y ago
        So based on that definition, explain to me how being "aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)" is bad... And does "woke culture" just mean a culture of being "aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)"?
        rufus_foreman 5y ago
        Being aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues is not bad. Using language that implies that you, but not other people, are aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues is bad. And using language like "woke" which implies that other people are asleep or they would agree with you, is bad. It's similar to using words like "sheeple" to describe people who you disagree with. As you said, it's impossible to take you seriously when you use terms like that. That's what the outraged conservative commentators are latching on to. They're telling their listeners, "They think they are woke and you are asleep". Things are tribal. It's a powerful message.
beebmam 5y ago
It actually is. The far left are associated with Marxism, which is completely unrelated to "Woke Culture". In fact, Marxists completely denounce "Woke Culture" as well as any other difference between peoples except economic class.

You'll find most extreme leftists (by that I mean marxists, maoists, dedicated anarchists) don't care much about "woke culture", because they care much more about class divisions than racial or gender or sexuality or other divisions. "Woke culture" is primarily a center-left phenomenon.

sanxiyn 5y ago
Yes, but most center left is not woke. It's particularly American and Bay Area thing, weird to global central left.
rufus_foreman 5y ago
Some of the founders of Black Lives Matter described themselves as Marxist, and it was that organization that popularized the term. And for them it would be a mistake to focus only on class. They would argue that there are multiple systems of oppression that interact with each other and need to be considered as a whole rather than individually, the critical race theory term for that is intersectionality. I don't consider critical race theory to be a center-left phenomenon. Right wing politicians would be overjoyed to find out that people on the center-left do.

nopenopenopeno 5y ago

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imilk 5y ago

For the last few years, the only people using the word "woke" are constantly outraged conservative commentators. It's impossible to take you seriously when you use terms like that. Since I don't exist in that bubble, can you define "woke" & "woke culture"?

rufus_foreman 5y ago
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- imilk 5y ago
  Since I don't exist in that bubble, can you define "woke" & "woke culture"?
  - rufus_foreman 5y ago
    It was added to the Merriam-Webster dictionary in 2017: chiefly US slang : aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice) But we will only succeed if we reject the growing pressure to retreat into cynicism and hopelessness. … We have a moral obligation to "stay woke," take a stand and be active; challenging injustices and racism in our communities and fighting hatred and discrimination wherever it rises. — Barbara Lee … argued that … Brad Pitt is not only woke, but the wokest man in Hollywood … because he uses his status—and his production company Plan B—to create space for artists of color, with such films as 12 Years a Slave, Selma, and the upcoming film Moonlight. — Giselle Defares
    - imilk 5y ago
      So based on that definition, explain to me how being "aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)" is bad... And does "woke culture" just mean a culture of being "aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)"?
      - rufus_foreman 5y ago
        Being aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues is not bad. Using language that implies that you, but not other people, are aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues is bad. And using language like "woke" which implies that other people are asleep or they would agree with you, is bad. It's similar to using words like "sheeple" to describe people who you disagree with. As you said, it's impossible to take you seriously when you use terms like that. That's what the outraged conservative commentators are latching on to. They're telling their listeners, "They think they are woke and you are asleep". Things are tribal. It's a powerful message.

beebmam 5y ago

It actually is. The far left are associated with Marxism, which is completely unrelated to "Woke Culture". In fact, Marxists completely denounce "Woke Culture" as well as any other difference between peoples except economic class.