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This is proper nonsense. Developing in house silicon over around 10 years that craps all-over competitors is 'begrudgingly' updating? The mac is the pinnacle

This is proper nonsense. Developing in house silicon over around 10 years that craps all-over competitors is 'begrudgingly' updating? The mac is the pinnacle of their product line up - it may not be their biggest priority or largest profit center... but its clear they consider it as a pro level device and treat it very differently from the iOS based products.

ajross 5y ago
The M1 is quite clearly a derivative of designs developed for and deployed first in iOS devices. It's great, really. But other than die size and instance count, it's just a "phone chip". It's an iPhone with more cores/cache/etc... The upthread point wasn't that the "M1" wasn't good as a laptop chip (it is!), it was that the "Macintosh" product line is clearly evolving in a direction where it's a derived product from the main revenue-producing lines.
- breakfastduck 5y ago
  You're applying the thought of 'they use it on iOS so it's the mac thats shifting' way too hard on Apple just choosing a new architecture that suits their products best... If the performance hadn't been what it is then I'd agree. But I'd say the vast majority of hardcore mac users are hyped about the new devices. That's a sign that they're keeping the mac as the mac. I can't wait to move from my intel to a M* in the next couple of years when software support is fully there for audio stuff.
smoldesu 5y ago
> Developing in house silicon over around 10 years that craps all-over competitors is 'begrudgingly' updating? ...developing in-house silicon that has architecture parity with your iPad an iPhone. They've quite literally made the statement that "you people don't want computers anymore, so we're removing 32-bit support, we're taking away every mainstream GPU and graphics API, we're giving you a few more years before we disable x86 support altogether, and you'll be happy about it". If that's not a begrudging update then I honestly don't know what is. You'd have to be pretty deep in their marketing campaign to tell yourself that removing those features is just business as usual.
- tpush 5y ago
  > They've quite literally made the statement that [...] They've very literally not made that statement.
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    Can you point to which part is false, or are you disagreeing on the basis that I've said the quiet part out loud?
    - zepto 5y ago
      By ‘quiet part’, you mean the part that they have never literally said, which instead you wrote and attributed to them.
      - smoldesu 5y ago
        I should have anticipated that people would refute this with pedantics instead of logic.
        zepto 5y ago
        The logic is that you lied about what they said.
        dang 5y ago
        Would you please stop posting flamewar comments to HN? You've been doing it a ton lately, unfortunately. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
        zepto 5y ago
        That’s a fair comment. That having been said, most of what I’m relying to is straight up dishonesty that HN has no way to police and also ‘destroys what it is for’. But I agree - I should stay away from this stuff.

ajross 5y ago

The M1 is quite clearly a derivative of designs developed for and deployed first in iOS devices. It's great, really. But other than die size and instance count, it's just a "phone chip". It's an iPhone with more cores/cache/etc... The upthread point wasn't that the "M1" wasn't good as a laptop chip (it is!), it was that the "Macintosh" product line is clearly evolving in a direction where it's a derived product from the main revenue-producing lines.

breakfastduck 5y ago
You're applying the thought of 'they use it on iOS so it's the mac thats shifting' way too hard on Apple just choosing a new architecture that suits their products best... If the performance hadn't been what it is then I'd agree. But I'd say the vast majority of hardcore mac users are hyped about the new devices. That's a sign that they're keeping the mac as the mac. I can't wait to move from my intel to a M* in the next couple of years when software support is fully there for audio stuff.

smoldesu 5y ago

> Developing in house silicon over around 10 years that craps all-over competitors is 'begrudgingly' updating? ...developing in-house silicon that has architecture parity with your iPad an iPhone. They've quite literally made the statement that "you people don't want computers anymore, so we're removing 32-bit support, we're taking away every mainstream GPU and graphics API, we're giving you a few more years before we disable x86 support altogether, and you'll be happy about it". If that's not a begrudging update then I honestly don't know what is. You'd have to be pretty deep in their marketing campaign to tell yourself that removing those features is just business as usual.

tpush 5y ago
> They've quite literally made the statement that [...] They've very literally not made that statement.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  Can you point to which part is false, or are you disagreeing on the basis that I've said the quiet part out loud?
  - zepto 5y ago
    By ‘quiet part’, you mean the part that they have never literally said, which instead you wrote and attributed to them.
    - smoldesu 5y ago
      I should have anticipated that people would refute this with pedantics instead of logic.
      - zepto 5y ago
        The logic is that you lied about what they said.
        dang 5y ago
        Would you please stop posting flamewar comments to HN? You've been doing it a ton lately, unfortunately. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
        zepto 5y ago
        That’s a fair comment. That having been said, most of what I’m relying to is straight up dishonesty that HN has no way to police and also ‘destroys what it is for’. But I agree - I should stay away from this stuff.