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Vaccines aren't 100% effective. They are still necessary. What a weird argument you are building, suggesting the vaccine wasn't good for him because he got bad

Vaccines aren't 100% effective. They are still necessary. What a weird argument you are building, suggesting the vaccine wasn't good for him because he got bad covid and didn't die.

peteradio 5y ago
On the contrary, I find it odd that a case where vaccine did not prevent serious illness (neurological symptoms) is presented as a positive for the vaccine.
- johnchristopher 5y ago
  If you really find this odd then you are either being dishonest and intentionally spreading FUD or dense. I chose to believe you are not stupid. Unfortunately it means you are not yet in a place where you can reassess your beliefs and any rational arguments or facts will only strengthen those beliefs by the sheer need for the psyche to secure itself.
  - peteradio 5y ago
    Its one thing to dismiss it as anecdotal, its another thing to present the anecdote as the opposite of a rational conclusion.
    - johnchristopher 5y ago
      Exactly, and that's why we know vaccines work, because we looked at the overall picture and not at anecdotal data points.
giardini 5y ago
johnchristopher says "Vaccines aren't 100% effective. They are still necessary." Why are vaccines necessary? A cure would be just fine; some drug that stopped covid immediately would be very nice. For example most forms of malaria _had_ a cure with the discovery of quinine. Newer drugs have taken quinine's place. It's a race between the organism and man in any case, whether cure or vaccine.
- johnchristopher 5y ago
  > Why are vaccines necessary? Because we don't have a cure ? > A cure would be just fine; some drug that stopped covid immediately would be very nice. > For example most forms of malaria _had_ a cure with the discovery of quinine. Newer drugs have taken quinine's place. It's a race between the organism and man in any case, whether cure or vaccine. So we don't need vaccines because cures - which we don't have so far - are better. Okay.
  - giardini 5y ago
    johnchristopher says:>"So we don't need vaccines because cures - which we don't have so far - are better."< I didn't say that. What I'm saying is that we should research treatments (non-vaccine cures) as well as vaccines. After all, of our current medical solutions that do work for various ailments, what percentage are vaccines and what percentage are treatments found by experiment or accident (like quinine for malaria)?

Vaccines aren't 100% effective. They are still necessary. What a weird argument you are building, suggesting the vaccine wasn't good for him because he got bad covid and didn't die.

peteradio 5y ago

On the contrary, I find it odd that a case where vaccine did not prevent serious illness (neurological symptoms) is presented as a positive for the vaccine.

johnchristopher 5y ago
If you really find this odd then you are either being dishonest and intentionally spreading FUD or dense. I chose to believe you are not stupid. Unfortunately it means you are not yet in a place where you can reassess your beliefs and any rational arguments or facts will only strengthen those beliefs by the sheer need for the psyche to secure itself.
- peteradio 5y ago
  Its one thing to dismiss it as anecdotal, its another thing to present the anecdote as the opposite of a rational conclusion.
  - johnchristopher 5y ago
    Exactly, and that's why we know vaccines work, because we looked at the overall picture and not at anecdotal data points.

giardini 5y ago

johnchristopher says "Vaccines aren't 100% effective. They are still necessary." Why are vaccines necessary? A cure would be just fine; some drug that stopped covid immediately would be very nice. For example most forms of malaria _had_ a cure with the discovery of quinine. Newer drugs have taken quinine's place. It's a race between the organism and man in any case, whether cure or vaccine.

johnchristopher 5y ago
> Why are vaccines necessary? Because we don't have a cure ? > A cure would be just fine; some drug that stopped covid immediately would be very nice. > For example most forms of malaria _had_ a cure with the discovery of quinine. Newer drugs have taken quinine's place. It's a race between the organism and man in any case, whether cure or vaccine. So we don't need vaccines because cures - which we don't have so far - are better. Okay.
- giardini 5y ago
  johnchristopher says:>"So we don't need vaccines because cures - which we don't have so far - are better."< I didn't say that. What I'm saying is that we should research treatments (non-vaccine cures) as well as vaccines. After all, of our current medical solutions that do work for various ailments, what percentage are vaccines and what percentage are treatments found by experiment or accident (like quinine for malaria)?