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Yes. AFD and right wing politics is not helping. Recently a friend moved from India to Dresden to work for a company in the "silicon" ecosystem. For some reaso

by shasts 5y ago

Yes. AFD and right wing politics is not helping. Recently a friend moved from India to Dresden to work for a company in the "silicon" ecosystem. For some reason his name on the postal box where he and family lives temporarily, was tore off multiple times. Missed a few urgent letters. You know how it is in Germany, if you miss a letter from the Government office.

emsy 5y ago
Hopefully the exposure to foreign professionals will lead to a decrease in xenophobia. So I think it's the other way around. It's not that there are fewer foreigners there because of right wing politics, but the right wing politics are flourishing because there are fewer foreigners (add to that the economic after-effects of the GDR that are still lingering more than 30 years later).
- mschuster91 5y ago
  > It's not that there are fewer foreigners there because of right wing politics Actually, you're wrong. Nazism in Eastern Germany has been pointed out to drastically reduce the attractivity for foreigners. Been that way ever since the 2015 anti-refugee riots and the rise of Pegida: https://www.br.de/nachricht/pegida-schadet-dresden-100.html https://www.br.de/nachricht/pegida-schadet-dresden-100.html The fact that people of color regularly get beaten up in public transport over there only strengthens the problem. The Nazi terrorism is winning.
  - emsy 5y ago
    I'm sure you have some sources for your bold claims. Also, I think you may have gotten the point of my comment wrong. The comment I replied to made it sound like it's a bad idea to build in the saxony area because of racism, which is a wrong way to think about this, because this will only let the problem persist. Of course, this will only work if law enforcement will punish right wing violence.
    - Schiendelman 5y ago
      The police tend to BE right wing.
    - mschuster91 5y ago
      Alone in 2019, there were over 1.000 right-wing associated violent attacks in East Germany: https://taz.de/Rechte-Gewalt-in-Ostdeutschland/!5676492/ https://taz.de/Rechte-Gewalt-in-Ostdeutschland/!5676492/ That number does notably not include non-violent attacks like threats, derogatory comments or slurs, as well as the ever-present discrimination against non-Germans.
- the-dude 5y ago
  Xenophobes are mad : 1) Because of foreigners with no work, they are thought of to 'cost money' 2) Because of foreigners with (good) work, because they are 'stealing' their jobs or have a better life You can't win.
thejackgoode 5y ago
Side question, as it puzzled me as a foreigner in Czech Republic, which apparently has the same rules. Why on Earth is it a requirement to have your name on the postal box (or the mailman won’t put it in)? You are registered to the flat number, this information exists with all possible level of fidelity.
- inglor_cz 5y ago
  "You are registered to the flat number" I don't think so. The Czech population registry works with addresses, but does not contain the exact apartment you live in. In case of blocks of flats, there might be ~ 100 apartments with the same address. It is different if you are the owner. The land registry does contain finer ownership data up to the level of the apartment. But as a renting person, while your contract will contain the apartment number, the authorities won't be registering that. You may actually go completely officially unregistered for years if you never visit the town hall and ask for a registration. It is not a hard requirement to get registered as a renter. But post will be delivered to you nonetheless if your post box is labeled with your name and someone knows your address.
  - thejackgoode 5y ago
    Thank you for clarifying. As a foreigner, I was never allowed to rent without registering, so it slipped my mind that indeed for citizens it may be the case. Nevertheless it’s a security issue like OP mentioned, someone can change a letter or change their name to yours for a day on the sticker and get your mail.
- whythisnotthat 5y ago
  because there are no flat numbers in Germany as far as i know, the house has a number as in randomstreet XY and then it goes by name on the bell and postal box. Your best strategy would be to derail your mail to a Postfach at the postal office and get your packages delivered to Packingstations of the delivery-service of your choice.

by shasts 5y ago

emsy 5y ago

Hopefully the exposure to foreign professionals will lead to a decrease in xenophobia. So I think it's the other way around. It's not that there are fewer foreigners there because of right wing politics, but the right wing politics are flourishing because there are fewer foreigners (add to that the economic after-effects of the GDR that are still lingering more than 30 years later).

mschuster91 5y ago
> It's not that there are fewer foreigners there because of right wing politics Actually, you're wrong. Nazism in Eastern Germany has been pointed out to drastically reduce the attractivity for foreigners. Been that way ever since the 2015 anti-refugee riots and the rise of Pegida: https://www.br.de/nachricht/pegida-schadet-dresden-100.html https://www.br.de/nachricht/pegida-schadet-dresden-100.html The fact that people of color regularly get beaten up in public transport over there only strengthens the problem. The Nazi terrorism is winning.
- emsy 5y ago
  I'm sure you have some sources for your bold claims. Also, I think you may have gotten the point of my comment wrong. The comment I replied to made it sound like it's a bad idea to build in the saxony area because of racism, which is a wrong way to think about this, because this will only let the problem persist. Of course, this will only work if law enforcement will punish right wing violence.
  - Schiendelman 5y ago
    The police tend to BE right wing.
  - mschuster91 5y ago
    Alone in 2019, there were over 1.000 right-wing associated violent attacks in East Germany: https://taz.de/Rechte-Gewalt-in-Ostdeutschland/!5676492/ https://taz.de/Rechte-Gewalt-in-Ostdeutschland/!5676492/ That number does notably not include non-violent attacks like threats, derogatory comments or slurs, as well as the ever-present discrimination against non-Germans.
the-dude 5y ago
Xenophobes are mad : 1) Because of foreigners with no work, they are thought of to 'cost money' 2) Because of foreigners with (good) work, because they are 'stealing' their jobs or have a better life You can't win.

thejackgoode 5y ago

Side question, as it puzzled me as a foreigner in Czech Republic, which apparently has the same rules. Why on Earth is it a requirement to have your name on the postal box (or the mailman won’t put it in)? You are registered to the flat number, this information exists with all possible level of fidelity.

inglor_cz 5y ago
"You are registered to the flat number" I don't think so. The Czech population registry works with addresses, but does not contain the exact apartment you live in. In case of blocks of flats, there might be ~ 100 apartments with the same address. It is different if you are the owner. The land registry does contain finer ownership data up to the level of the apartment. But as a renting person, while your contract will contain the apartment number, the authorities won't be registering that. You may actually go completely officially unregistered for years if you never visit the town hall and ask for a registration. It is not a hard requirement to get registered as a renter. But post will be delivered to you nonetheless if your post box is labeled with your name and someone knows your address.
- thejackgoode 5y ago
  Thank you for clarifying. As a foreigner, I was never allowed to rent without registering, so it slipped my mind that indeed for citizens it may be the case. Nevertheless it’s a security issue like OP mentioned, someone can change a letter or change their name to yours for a day on the sticker and get your mail.
whythisnotthat 5y ago
because there are no flat numbers in Germany as far as i know, the house has a number as in randomstreet XY and then it goes by name on the bell and postal box. Your best strategy would be to derail your mail to a Postfach at the postal office and get your packages delivered to Packingstations of the delivery-service of your choice.