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I think Apple recently has kind of pulled a Microsoft, where they're actively trying to turn a new leaf and become more open/listen better.

nix23 5y ago
Wait...since when is microsoft listening to anything?
- morganvachon 5y ago
  Microsoft has embraced Linux and open source in general to the extent that it helps them expand into larger markets. Linux is to servers as Windows is to desktop computing, Microsoft has finally acknowledged that they can't "win" in the server and cloud market without conceding to that, and have been "supporting" Linux and open source/free software in various ways over the last several years. It's not because they believe in open source and free software, it's more that they realized they can coexist with and even benefit from helping such projects. It's a beneficial means to a selfish end, but it's better than the old Microsoft who just wanted to destroy anything related to Linux and free software out of pure spite.
  - rvz 5y ago
    > Microsoft has embraced Linux and open source in general to the extent that it helps them expand into larger markets. Yeah. Basically they're smarter this time and found a way to remove the reason to install a Linux Distro on any desktop by just 'extending' WSL2 and adding optimized NVIDIA drivers that are designed only for WSL2. Which means Windows is the best Linux distro then. Why bother with the Linux Desktop since that has failed anyway?
    - morganvachon 5y ago
      Yep. The saving grace is they don't have a need to reach the third stage and extinguish anything; their focus is on developers and server/cloud, they likely don't feel intimidated by "desktop Linux".
ggfgg 5y ago
No Apple quietly and understatedly did something positive. Microsoft just said they did, bulldozed telemetry and Edge on everyone, released a shit show of an OS and buried it under a pile of marketing and blogs that everyone bought hook line and sinker.
Tijdreiziger 5y ago
I'll believe it when I see it. I recently got an iPad, and sideloading apps is a ridiculous endeavor that involves a server app (that depends on iTunes and thus only works on macOS and Windows) that has to re-sign your sideloaded apps once every 7 days. And regarding Microsoft, while I certainly embrace them being more open than before, VS Code still has proprietary bits, and you'll need to run your own extension store if you don't want to use those (which the VSCodium project does, I think). Of course, that's not even mentioning the forced telemetry in Windows...
- nicce 5y ago
  > VS Code still has proprietary bits, and you'll need to run your own extension store if you don't want to use those (which the VSCodium project does, I think). Of course, that's not even mentioning the forced telemetry in Windows... VSCodium has just disabled that Microsoft store by default. You can enable it and use all the extensions normally, without proprietary bits.
  - Liquid_Fire 5y ago
    Isn't part of the problem that some of the extensions themselves are proprietary? e.g. the Remote Development extensions.
- zepto 5y ago
  Why did you buy it if you wanted to do sideloading? Apple has literally written documents about why they think sideloading is a bad idea.
  - Tijdreiziger 5y ago
    If you look at tablet OS reviews online, a recurring theme is that the app ecosystem is more developed on iPadOS, with reviewers lamenting the Android tablet app ecosystem. I also thought that iPadOS might be a bit better privacy-wise. As it turns out, doing things in the browser is more convenient than apps anyway (given that it's a tablet), and I underestimated the restrictiveness of the OS, but those are the things that are hard to glean from reviews. It's my first tablet in a decade, so you'll have to forgive me for not having any prior knowledge on these things.

nix23 5y ago

Wait...since when is microsoft listening to anything?

morganvachon 5y ago
Microsoft has embraced Linux and open source in general to the extent that it helps them expand into larger markets. Linux is to servers as Windows is to desktop computing, Microsoft has finally acknowledged that they can't "win" in the server and cloud market without conceding to that, and have been "supporting" Linux and open source/free software in various ways over the last several years. It's not because they believe in open source and free software, it's more that they realized they can coexist with and even benefit from helping such projects. It's a beneficial means to a selfish end, but it's better than the old Microsoft who just wanted to destroy anything related to Linux and free software out of pure spite.
- rvz 5y ago
  > Microsoft has embraced Linux and open source in general to the extent that it helps them expand into larger markets. Yeah. Basically they're smarter this time and found a way to remove the reason to install a Linux Distro on any desktop by just 'extending' WSL2 and adding optimized NVIDIA drivers that are designed only for WSL2. Which means Windows is the best Linux distro then. Why bother with the Linux Desktop since that has failed anyway?
  - morganvachon 5y ago
    Yep. The saving grace is they don't have a need to reach the third stage and extinguish anything; their focus is on developers and server/cloud, they likely don't feel intimidated by "desktop Linux".

ggfgg 5y ago

No Apple quietly and understatedly did something positive. Microsoft just said they did, bulldozed telemetry and Edge on everyone, released a shit show of an OS and buried it under a pile of marketing and blogs that everyone bought hook line and sinker.

Tijdreiziger 5y ago

I'll believe it when I see it. I recently got an iPad, and sideloading apps is a ridiculous endeavor that involves a server app (that depends on iTunes and thus only works on macOS and Windows) that has to re-sign your sideloaded apps once every 7 days. And regarding Microsoft, while I certainly embrace them being more open than before, VS Code still has proprietary bits, and you'll need to run your own extension store if you don't want to use those (which the VSCodium project does, I think). Of course, that's not even mentioning the forced telemetry in Windows...

nicce 5y ago
> VS Code still has proprietary bits, and you'll need to run your own extension store if you don't want to use those (which the VSCodium project does, I think). Of course, that's not even mentioning the forced telemetry in Windows... VSCodium has just disabled that Microsoft store by default. You can enable it and use all the extensions normally, without proprietary bits.
- Liquid_Fire 5y ago
  Isn't part of the problem that some of the extensions themselves are proprietary? e.g. the Remote Development extensions.
zepto 5y ago
Why did you buy it if you wanted to do sideloading? Apple has literally written documents about why they think sideloading is a bad idea.
- Tijdreiziger 5y ago
  If you look at tablet OS reviews online, a recurring theme is that the app ecosystem is more developed on iPadOS, with reviewers lamenting the Android tablet app ecosystem. I also thought that iPadOS might be a bit better privacy-wise. As it turns out, doing things in the browser is more convenient than apps anyway (given that it's a tablet), and I underestimated the restrictiveness of the OS, but those are the things that are hard to glean from reviews. It's my first tablet in a decade, so you'll have to forgive me for not having any prior knowledge on these things.