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Vaccines never assured that would stop the transmission. Specially after being designed for different virus variants. They claimed that the effects would be mu

Vaccines never assured that would stop the transmission. Specially after being designed for different virus variants. They claimed that the effects would be much less severe, and would save lives. And in millions of cases [1] they delivered exactly what was promised. Finland had 1000 people killed. Sweden with 70% vaccinated had 15.000 deaths, so all points that vaccines really work. [1] There are a few debatable cases, and I don't have any problem to discuss it, but the fact is that any treatment carry a small risk of being harmful for a particular genetic. People accept to take this risks all the time because the possible benefits worth it. Nobody says "we must stop treating cancer because chemotherapy has killed one in a 100 million people before". Rules can't be effective if everybody do all that must do, but a bunch of morons playing cowbells came and spit you in the face (or into your hamburger) just for fun. Don't blame the people that made the rules for that. Is not their failure

waihtis 5y ago
They most certainly did run that message for awhile, see eg https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-21/pfizer-biontech-shot-stops-covid-s-spread-israeli-study-shows https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-21/pfizer-bi... I will absolutely blame the people who use ineffective or dishonest methods to constrict my life without my consent, that is the price they pay to be in positions of power.
- undersuit 5y ago
  Your own linked article contests your argument.
  - waihtis 5y ago
    And? That is entirely the point. Pharma marketing & government sold this as a preventative cure which of which people with the know were skeptical about from the beginning.
    - undersuit 5y ago
      But the article argues caution, not at all what you're arguing.
      - waihtis 5y ago
        What am I arguing in your opinion then?
        undersuit 5y ago
        It's been two years, learn some new moves. Stop blaming other people for problems you are creating.
walterbell 5y ago
> Vaccines never assured that would stop the transmission. Specially after being designed for different virus variants. People's experiences of vaccines like MMR lead them to assume otherwise. CDC did not formally change the definition of vaccine until Sept 2021.

waihtis 5y ago

They most certainly did run that message for awhile, see eg https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-21/pfizer-biontech-shot-stops-covid-s-spread-israeli-study-shows https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-21/pfizer-bi... I will absolutely blame the people who use ineffective or dishonest methods to constrict my life without my consent, that is the price they pay to be in positions of power.

undersuit 5y ago
Your own linked article contests your argument.
- waihtis 5y ago
  And? That is entirely the point. Pharma marketing & government sold this as a preventative cure which of which people with the know were skeptical about from the beginning.
  - undersuit 5y ago
    But the article argues caution, not at all what you're arguing.
    - waihtis 5y ago
      What am I arguing in your opinion then?
      - undersuit 5y ago
        It's been two years, learn some new moves. Stop blaming other people for problems you are creating.

walterbell 5y ago

> Vaccines never assured that would stop the transmission. Specially after being designed for different virus variants. People's experiences of vaccines like MMR lead them to assume otherwise. CDC did not formally change the definition of vaccine until Sept 2021.