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Which hospitals in the US are overwhelmed? Keep the hospitals open, treat people who are sick, give vaccines to people who will accept them. We've had this vacc

by zeven7 5y ago

Which hospitals in the US are overwhelmed? Keep the hospitals open, treat people who are sick, give vaccines to people who will accept them. We've had this vaccine for about a year now. Either people who are vaccinated should return to their lives or this vaccine isn't very helpful.

Steltek 5y ago
Massachusetts has cut routine procedures back 50% and is reserving Covid treatments exclusively for the unvaccinated+. The anti-vax crowd is absolutely dragging this out and causing measurable harm for the rest of us who want to see the end of this. If you're willfully unvaccinated, society owes you nothing. +: And IC people, which is effectively involuntarily unvaccinated.
- NoblePublius 5y ago
  The “anti vax crowd” is disproportionately people of color and immigrants who don’t trust the medical industry so your viewpoint here is highly racist and discriminatory. You have been warned.
chinathrow 5y ago
I am not from the US and never talked about the US.
- zeven7 5y ago
  Okay, well what I say refers to the US which has had general availability of the vaccine for a long time now. I would not argue places where people haven't had access to the vaccine should go back to normal yet.
tzs 5y ago
> Which hospitals in the US are overwhelmed? A small sample: https://khn.org/news/article/ambulance-resources-911-demand-paramedics-busy-with-patient-transfers-pandemic-fills-hospitals/ https://khn.org/news/article/ambulance-resources-911-demand-... https://www.yorkdispatch.com/story/news/2021/12/16/york-county-logs-one-new-covid-19-death-monday-schools-surpass-2-200-cases/8924154002/ https://www.yorkdispatch.com/story/news/2021/12/16/york-coun... https://www.wgbh.org/news/local-news/2021/12/16/massachusetts-health-workers-tell-legislators-theyre-exhausted-and-overwhelmed https://www.wgbh.org/news/local-news/2021/12/16/massachusett... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/health-care-workers-minnesota-are-overwhelmed-heartbroken-executives-s-rcna8649 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/health-care-workers-min... https://www.wmur.com/article/new-hampshire-north-country-hospitals-overwhelmed-covid-19/38518829 https://www.wmur.com/article/new-hampshire-north-country-hos... https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2021/12/14/covid-surge https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2021/12/14/covid-sur... https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2021/12/15/covid-19-overwhelmed-cincinnati-hospitals-may-mean-some-care-gets-delayed/8909240002/ https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2021/12/15/covid-19-ov... https://boston.cbslocal.com/2021/12/15/salem-massachusetts-hospital-staff-shortage/ https://boston.cbslocal.com/2021/12/15/salem-massachusetts-h... https://wsbt.com/news/local/memorial-hospital-overwhelmed-at-125-capacity https://wsbt.com/news/local/memorial-hospital-overwhelmed-at...
- zeven7 5y ago
  I didn't read all of those links. The first one looked like it had to do with having to transfer patients around. I skimmed the first few paragraphs and admittedly don't understand the problem but it's hard to find the direct link to the discussion - it didn't say hospitals were overflowing. The second link was titled "anticipated omicron surge". The 3rd link says: > “Local public health workers are burnt out from nearly two years of round-the-clock contact tracing, a massive vaccination effort, nonstop demands for information and guidance from businesses, residents and town governments, and the stress of having mask mandates become a local responsibility, and much more,” Walker said. This article is about health workers being exhausted for having to do things that they probably shouldn't be doing anymore now that vaccines have been generally available for almost a year and the latest variant is not more dangerous than the regular flu. Again, an argument that we need to move on. After skimming the first 3 it doesn't look like I should spend any time on the rest.
  - tzs 5y ago
    > This article is about health workers being exhausted for having to do things that they probably shouldn't be doing anymore now that vaccines have been generally available for almost a year and the latest variant is not more dangerous than the regular flu. Again, an argument that we need to move on. Vaccines have been generally available for almost a year. That doesn't mean that everyone that could get vaccinated has done so. There are plenty of counties in the US where the vaccination rate is still below 50%. There are even plenty of counties where the vaccination rate among those 65+ is below 50%. You are right that health care workers should not have to be doing those things anymore--we should have been at 90+% vaccination rate pretty much everywhere in the US by mid-2021. But we aren't, and so they do have to keep doing those things. And as long as that keeps happening we can't move on, because people need hospitals for things other than COVID. Even those of us in places with good vaccination rates can be affected because the places that are overwhelmed are transferring the overflow to places that aren't.

by zeven7 5y ago

Steltek 5y ago

Massachusetts has cut routine procedures back 50% and is reserving Covid treatments exclusively for the unvaccinated+. The anti-vax crowd is absolutely dragging this out and causing measurable harm for the rest of us who want to see the end of this. If you're willfully unvaccinated, society owes you nothing. +: And IC people, which is effectively involuntarily unvaccinated.

NoblePublius 5y ago
The “anti vax crowd” is disproportionately people of color and immigrants who don’t trust the medical industry so your viewpoint here is highly racist and discriminatory. You have been warned.

chinathrow 5y ago

I am not from the US and never talked about the US.

zeven7 5y ago
Okay, well what I say refers to the US which has had general availability of the vaccine for a long time now. I would not argue places where people haven't had access to the vaccine should go back to normal yet.

tzs 5y ago

> Which hospitals in the US are overwhelmed? A small sample: https://khn.org/news/article/ambulance-resources-911-demand-paramedics-busy-with-patient-transfers-pandemic-fills-hospitals/ https://khn.org/news/article/ambulance-resources-911-demand-... https://www.yorkdispatch.com/story/news/2021/12/16/york-county-logs-one-new-covid-19-death-monday-schools-surpass-2-200-cases/8924154002/ https://www.yorkdispatch.com/story/news/2021/12/16/york-coun... https://www.wgbh.org/news/local-news/2021/12/16/massachusetts-health-workers-tell-legislators-theyre-exhausted-and-overwhelmed https://www.wgbh.org/news/local-news/2021/12/16/massachusett... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/health-care-workers-minnesota-are-overwhelmed-heartbroken-executives-s-rcna8649 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/health-care-workers-min... https://www.wmur.com/article/new-hampshire-north-country-hospitals-overwhelmed-covid-19/38518829 https://www.wmur.com/article/new-hampshire-north-country-hos... https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2021/12/14/covid-surge https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2021/12/14/covid-sur... https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2021/12/15/covid-19-overwhelmed-cincinnati-hospitals-may-mean-some-care-gets-delayed/8909240002/ https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2021/12/15/covid-19-ov... https://boston.cbslocal.com/2021/12/15/salem-massachusetts-hospital-staff-shortage/ https://boston.cbslocal.com/2021/12/15/salem-massachusetts-h... https://wsbt.com/news/local/memorial-hospital-overwhelmed-at-125-capacity https://wsbt.com/news/local/memorial-hospital-overwhelmed-at...

zeven7 5y ago
I didn't read all of those links. The first one looked like it had to do with having to transfer patients around. I skimmed the first few paragraphs and admittedly don't understand the problem but it's hard to find the direct link to the discussion - it didn't say hospitals were overflowing. The second link was titled "anticipated omicron surge". The 3rd link says: > “Local public health workers are burnt out from nearly two years of round-the-clock contact tracing, a massive vaccination effort, nonstop demands for information and guidance from businesses, residents and town governments, and the stress of having mask mandates become a local responsibility, and much more,” Walker said. This article is about health workers being exhausted for having to do things that they probably shouldn't be doing anymore now that vaccines have been generally available for almost a year and the latest variant is not more dangerous than the regular flu. Again, an argument that we need to move on. After skimming the first 3 it doesn't look like I should spend any time on the rest.
- tzs 5y ago
  > This article is about health workers being exhausted for having to do things that they probably shouldn't be doing anymore now that vaccines have been generally available for almost a year and the latest variant is not more dangerous than the regular flu. Again, an argument that we need to move on. Vaccines have been generally available for almost a year. That doesn't mean that everyone that could get vaccinated has done so. There are plenty of counties in the US where the vaccination rate is still below 50%. There are even plenty of counties where the vaccination rate among those 65+ is below 50%. You are right that health care workers should not have to be doing those things anymore--we should have been at 90+% vaccination rate pretty much everywhere in the US by mid-2021. But we aren't, and so they do have to keep doing those things. And as long as that keeps happening we can't move on, because people need hospitals for things other than COVID. Even those of us in places with good vaccination rates can be affected because the places that are overwhelmed are transferring the overflow to places that aren't.