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I was a Republican. I was always pro choice. I was always skeptical of cops. I thought the Soviet Union and then the rump empire under Putin was dangerous. I ne
by Zigurd 5y ago
I was a Republican. I was always pro choice. I was always skeptical of cops. I thought the Soviet Union and then the rump empire under Putin was dangerous. I never felt "oppressed" by standards of decency. Maybe it's not about being a Republican.
- Msw242 5y agoWhen did you graduate
- redleader55 5y agoYour post supports with facts - ie. your own experience - the idea that moderate members of a group don't get oppressed, which is missing the point, in my opinion. I think the point of the parent of your post and the article is that regardless of what you believe, you should have the right to your opinion and should not be persecuted for it.
- Zigurd 5y agoYour "persecution" is a cheap shadow of actual persecution, which was meted out to whole sexes and races under the flag of inherent superiority. That's not what the modern right is feeling. They are feeling the consequences of expressing overt racism and sexism. It is their right to do so. Nobody has taken away that right. It is everyone's right to reject racism and sexism and the people espousing it.
- finite_jest 5y ago[flagged]
- dang 5y agoPlease do not take HN threads further into political, ideological, and partisan flamewar. It's just what we don't want here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- finite_jest 5y agoI apologize for that.
- Msw242 5y ago[flagged]
- Zigurd 5y agoWhether a one-state outcome in Israel entails apartheid or whether the terrorists among Palestinian leadership positions is fundamentally different than Sinn Fein are wonky policy nerd topics. That's not what the modern right is about. It is about denying the bodily autonomy of women, for example. And they wonder why women won't touch them.
- Msw242 5y agoThank you for informing me on what my argument is. Don't get heat stroke fighting all of those strawmen.
- someguydave 5y agoI agree, Republicans are suffering for expressing anti-racism and anti-sexism.
- dang 5y agoPlease do not take HN threads further into political, ideological, and partisan flamewar. It's just what we don't want here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 5y agoPlease do not take HN threads further into political, ideological, and partisan flamewar. It's just what we don't want here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- thegrimmest 5y agoI think it more depends on how you fall on the authoritarian/libertarian spectrum. As a libertarian myself, I certainly feel that my views are not welcome. I have often been accused of being a horrible person for holding a belief in what is essentially tolerance of intolerance, and voluntary cooperation.
- Zigurd 5y agoI am estranged from libertarianism. Too many people self-assigning that label are against women's rights, voting rights, and are comfortable with the dictator in Russia. And this is before one gets to issues like Pareto optimal policies entrenching existing disadvantages.
- thegrimmest 5y agoHave you become attracted to authoritarianism then? I'd be very curious as to why. I'm very much pro women's and voting rights, and am under no illusion that Russia is somehow a liberal place. If you're referring to abortion, I think the main disagreement between sensible people is the point at which a group of cells becomes a child, deserving of protection? And whose responsibility is that child? My answers are at conception, and whoever is currently in custody (the mother, before birth); simply because I don't see an alternative that isn't highly arbitrary or subjective. In regard to voting rights, democracy is clearly better than the other things we've tried. I just don't think the people we elect should have quite so much power. Their remit should be limited to the administration of peace and order, not binding us all into one cooperative working towards a common goal. Society is about peaceful coexistence, not collectivizing the realities of misfortune or inadequacy. Most basically, I think anyone who is drawn to the idea of forcing people to cooperate is taking a moral stance that I simply cannot follow. In the absence of an oracle to divine good from evil, I can't come up with a justification, save one, for using force to compel cooperation. Doing so is indistinguishable from a degree of slavery.
- Zigurd 5y agoThis "the idea of forcing people to cooperate is taking a moral stance that I simply cannot follow" is why libertarianism, especially recently, is naive and counterproductive.