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Perhaps a fair point, but I don't think it's remotely comparable to the topic at hand. We're talking about Chinese-born students in America being ratted out to

Perhaps a fair point, but I don't think it's remotely comparable to the topic at hand. We're talking about Chinese-born students in America being ratted out to the Chinese government for exercising their free expression rights like model American citizens, even though they are foreigners. If I had the relevant Presidential powers, I'd offer citizenship to every one of the threatened students, and the rats would be sent packing home to China the second they were identified. The 50 cent lackeys of Pooh-Bear[1] are not welcome here in America. Go home, scumbags!! [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/07/china-bans-winnie-the-pooh-film-to-stop-comparisons-to-president-xi https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/07/china-bans-win...

marcus_holmes 5y ago
Kinda bizarre assumption that the Chinese nationals getting their education in the USA automatically want to become citizens of the USA.
- civilized 5y ago
  Your assumption that I'm assuming that is even more bizarre. But regardless, plenty of them do want to become citizens -- especially the kind that speaks their mind in public. There's nothing wrong with making the offer.
- swsieber 5y ago
  That's not what was said. I think the offer is nice even if they don't want it.
- Icko 5y ago
  Richer country, better quality of life, more personal freedoms. Not bizarre assumption at all.
  - star-trek-fleet 5y ago
    > Richer country Trust me most students in US nowadays are family financial support. They are already rich. And the US do not often give enough working position for them (outside of tech, which h1b is not particularly friendly) > better quality of life This definitely is wrong. Those kids enjoyed a far better life in China than US. > more personal freedoms. Well, for what they want to do, they'll have more freedom...
    - pcmoney 5y ago
      Then maybe we don't let them study here if they don't need it and we don't want them?
    - BINGCHILLING 5y ago
      > This definitely is wrong. Those kids enjoyed a far better life in China than US. they can stay there then lol
    - civilized 5y ago
      If China is such a paradise for the children of the Chinese elite, why do they overwhelmingly go to US universities? Why bother ever leaving China at all?
      - justicezyx 5y ago
        Education gilded one?
- throw10920 5y ago
  Please cite the section of the comment that assumed that? I can't see it anywhere.
pasabagi 5y ago
It would be kinda interesting if somebody actually implemented a law like this: all citizens without free speech get automatic asylum. You'd have half of the world turning up on your doorstep within a month. More seriously, it's also interesting when you think back to how asylum worked during the cold war. Migrants, even explicit economic migrants, were encouraged to emigrate from communist countries (cuba, east germany, etc), while asylum seekers in imminent threat of torture and death (say, 70's era Iranians, 80's tamils, etc) were blocked.
- popcube 5y ago
  you know, this is why so many scientists migrated to USA
- luciusdomitius 5y ago
  This is a very shallow statement. Probably 99.99% of people fleeing the above-mentioned communist countries were detained at border and sent to camps with tens (maybe hundreds) of thousands being literally murdered while attempting to do so. Obviously the big difference in this case is the numbers of potential asylum seekers, not the origin.
  - inglor_cz 5y ago
    "Probably 99.99% of people fleeing the above-mentioned communist countries" As far as Czechoslovakia goes, the success rate was WAY beyond 1:10000, that is why people still tried. About 400 people were killed on our militarized border with West Germany and Austria. The # of people who succeeded was actually over 10 thousand, especially in the earliest phase (1948-51), when the security of the border was far from perfect. You could also escape in less dramatic fashion, for example by going to Yugoslavia (a non-aligned country) for a vacation and defecting. Of course, whoever was caught and their families would face serious repercussions. In the Stalinist era, Gulag, after it, less pronounced bullying (loss of jobs, forbidden from higher education, forcibly moved to rural regions).

marcus_holmes 5y ago

Kinda bizarre assumption that the Chinese nationals getting their education in the USA automatically want to become citizens of the USA.

civilized 5y ago
Your assumption that I'm assuming that is even more bizarre. But regardless, plenty of them do want to become citizens -- especially the kind that speaks their mind in public. There's nothing wrong with making the offer.
swsieber 5y ago
That's not what was said. I think the offer is nice even if they don't want it.
Icko 5y ago
Richer country, better quality of life, more personal freedoms. Not bizarre assumption at all.
- star-trek-fleet 5y ago
  > Richer country Trust me most students in US nowadays are family financial support. They are already rich. And the US do not often give enough working position for them (outside of tech, which h1b is not particularly friendly) > better quality of life This definitely is wrong. Those kids enjoyed a far better life in China than US. > more personal freedoms. Well, for what they want to do, they'll have more freedom...
  - pcmoney 5y ago
    Then maybe we don't let them study here if they don't need it and we don't want them?
  - BINGCHILLING 5y ago
    > This definitely is wrong. Those kids enjoyed a far better life in China than US. they can stay there then lol
  - civilized 5y ago
    If China is such a paradise for the children of the Chinese elite, why do they overwhelmingly go to US universities? Why bother ever leaving China at all?
    - justicezyx 5y ago
      Education gilded one?
throw10920 5y ago
Please cite the section of the comment that assumed that? I can't see it anywhere.

pasabagi 5y ago

It would be kinda interesting if somebody actually implemented a law like this: all citizens without free speech get automatic asylum. You'd have half of the world turning up on your doorstep within a month. More seriously, it's also interesting when you think back to how asylum worked during the cold war. Migrants, even explicit economic migrants, were encouraged to emigrate from communist countries (cuba, east germany, etc), while asylum seekers in imminent threat of torture and death (say, 70's era Iranians, 80's tamils, etc) were blocked.

popcube 5y ago
you know, this is why so many scientists migrated to USA
luciusdomitius 5y ago
This is a very shallow statement. Probably 99.99% of people fleeing the above-mentioned communist countries were detained at border and sent to camps with tens (maybe hundreds) of thousands being literally murdered while attempting to do so. Obviously the big difference in this case is the numbers of potential asylum seekers, not the origin.
- inglor_cz 5y ago
  "Probably 99.99% of people fleeing the above-mentioned communist countries" As far as Czechoslovakia goes, the success rate was WAY beyond 1:10000, that is why people still tried. About 400 people were killed on our militarized border with West Germany and Austria. The # of people who succeeded was actually over 10 thousand, especially in the earliest phase (1948-51), when the security of the border was far from perfect. You could also escape in less dramatic fashion, for example by going to Yugoslavia (a non-aligned country) for a vacation and defecting. Of course, whoever was caught and their families would face serious repercussions. In the Stalinist era, Gulag, after it, less pronounced bullying (loss of jobs, forbidden from higher education, forcibly moved to rural regions).