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What you get in the EU: 451: Unavailable due to legal reasons We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the
by ReleaseCandidat 5y ago
What you get in the EU:
451: Unavailable due to legal reasons
We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country
belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces
the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be
granted at this time. For any issues, contact help@purdueexponent.org or call
765-743-1111.
- grenoire 5y agoI guess I'll have to keep pursuing my education within the EU.
- throwaway894345 5y agoThis is a student newspaper, not actually a property of the university itself. Moreover, we’re you seriously considering ponying up tuition for a US university (most of which goes to fund a bloated administration apparatus)?
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- rob_c 5y agoIt's not legal reasons it's laziness. GDPR compliance really doesn't cost a lot despite what a lot of legal shills spout...
- bsjks 5y agoIf it costs more than zero and you don’t care about euros not visiting your site, it makes sense. For example if you have ads or external analytics (practically 100% of websites) you need a cookie banner. Best to restrict access than to annoy your innocent users.
- simion314 5y ago>For example if you have ads or external analytics It is not about ads or analytics and about collecting private data without consent. Just to remind americans GDPR does not specifically target the Internet, it apples for real world places with physical paper (like you got to a lab and want to do some tests they are forced to tell you what they will do with your private data and you have to agree or not). You can have no tracking ads or analytics that do not record private data just fine, you can also have non tracking cookies without a popup. But honestly it makes sense that there is a big rich group that spread a lot of FUD about this stuff so many places will just decide not to server EU. If you never seen such GDPR popup maybe you should try to have a look at some of them, see how many "partners" this people share your tracking data with and how scummy the UX patherns they use are. Btw I am 100% fine with some US resources blocking me, I can go read soemthing else and for sure not try workaround for accessing this people page.
- toxik 5y agoYou realistically don’t need to do anything at all. It’s just spite at this point.
- throwaway894345 5y agoWell, you have to know something about the law to know when it does/doesn’t apply, and this student newspaper apparently decided it didn’t care to invest that kind of time. I think this is understandable for those of us who don’t prefer to study other countries’ laws. Perhaps EU subjects should seek to improve their laws.
- rendall 5y agoNah. Speaking as an American ex-pat, it's about Americans being offended that foreign laws have heft and import. It pierces the sovereignty bubble. The Internet is home-grown. How dare other nations dictate to us Americans how we run our sites, amirite? We're gonna take our toys and home.
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- Miner49er 5y agoIt's a not-for-profit student newspaper. I doubt it's about tracking.
- gpvos 5y agoIf they're running, say, Google ads,[0] which track, they probably have to do something, even if it isn't much. It would be great to have a web page that you could send them to that explains what they can do. [0] I don't know, I can't see the site.
- oytis 5y agoGDPR is a hundred articles of legalese, and to understand what it means to be compliant you probably need an understanding of EU legal context as well. Services of people who can do that do cost a lot.
- dangerface 5y agoI guess not tracking their users just wasn't an acceptable compromise. I wish eu google would just drop results like this.
- Msw242 5y agoOr they could just track their eu readers and not comply because they aren't in the EU?
- throwaway894345 5y agoThey probably just don’t have the legal and technical resources to navigate GDPR in a manner more sophisticated than “geoblocking” and frankly I don’t blame them—how often do they get legitimate traffic from Europe, especially without the benefit of hindsight from this incident. I like the spirit of GDPR, but blaming the entire world for not understanding your own country’s laws is the pinnacle of navel gazing.
- dangerface 5y agoYou like the spirit of GDPR but to get around the point of it would cost too much in layers so geoblock is the only solution you see? Commenting on geoblocking isn't exactly what I would call navel gazing there is literally nothing more for me to take away from this content :^)
- setgree 5y agoIt's also elsewhere, e.g. on reddit https://old.reddit.com/r/Purdue/comments/rh81c0/mitch_letter_chinese_dissident_student/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Purdue/comments/rh81c0/mitch_letter... I am surprised it's blocked in the EU. My first guess is that this student newspaper doesn't have a lot of technical folks on staff and didn't see much point in investing in being Europe-friendly. Their hosting site, https://townnews.com/ https://townnews.com/, doesn't look super legit at a glance but perhaps someone else knows more.
- qeternity 5y agoAs an American living in London, I find GDPR blocks extremely annoying…but I blame GDPR. It is a well intentioned law but horribly scoped. If I were the technical staff at a regional university in the US, I wouldn’t invest in compliance with a law that in theory can issue severe penalties. I would simply block that traffic, as they and many others have done.
- Majestic121 5y agoCompliance is easy : don't add the code that track users and you're compliant. If you do insist on tracking, make it opt out by default.
- drcongo 5y agoYou mean opt in by default / opted out by default?
- t-3 5y agoSo, I have to disable logging on my servers to comply with your regulations? No thanks.
- Jensson 5y agoAre the logs permanent? If not then GDPR doesn't cover it. Can you use the logs to identify users and their behaviour? If not GDPR doesn't cover it. If you keep permanent logs with information about users, then yeah that is a problem. But it should be a problem, that is a big potential security/privacy issue.
- xfz 5y agoIt's blocked in the UK as well, which is not in the EU or EEA, although does have the same privacy laws (UK GDPR). I assume they're blocking it because they don't care about user privacy. Their choice, but not a good sign.
- cdot2 5y agoor because the student newspaper for an American university doesn't care to try to read and comply with foreign laws
- quartz 5y agoMore likely they're blocking it because they're a local campus newspaper and they spent money on 1hrs worth of time with a lawyer who, well informed or not, told them if they just block the EU/UK they won't have to spend any more money to figure out if they're GDPR compliant or not.
- ReleaseCandidat 5y ago> It's blocked in the UK as well, which is not in the EU or EEA 'members or ex-members of the EU' would be the actual correct wording.
- thanatos519 5y agoI don't quite understand how EEA GDPR regulations can extend to entities with no European footprint at all, such as this student newspaper. Can't they just issue cookies and give the EU the finger?
- gpvos 5y agoChances are basically 100% that the EU won't go after a student newspaper, so in practice yes. But in theory no.
- tephra 5y agoWe'll also because they would not fall into the scope of the GDPR.
- tephra 5y agoThis newspaper would not fall under the jurisdiction of the GDPR since they do not come under the targeting provision. They have just fallen (or not bothered to look into) for FUD.
- gopher_space 5y agoSomeone was presented with an issue that was both technical and legal in scope and just punted. The contact info was added by minions who knew it was a stupid decision.
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- someguydave 5y agolol call them up and ask for a fax
- rendall 5y agohttps://web.archive.org/web/20211217145121/https://www.purdueexponent.org/campus/article_aa3e67de-5de9-11ec-9246-af6384980cbb.html https://web.archive.org/web/20211217145121/https://www.purdu...