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I don't have an opinion on either side of this debate, but your link is based on a "survey with more than 1000 responders" that seems to be about the current st

by Zababa 5y ago

I don't have an opinion on either side of this debate, but your link is based on a "survey with more than 1000 responders" that seems to be about the current state of things. It also doesn't talk about volume, just drinking as if every drinking is the same. I don't think it supports your claims.

BoorishBears 5y ago
It's not supporting my claims without asking critical thinking of the reader, that's a tough ask I know... There are more studies than you could ask for showing we hire people we'd like to hang out with: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/11/121129093008.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/11/121129093008.h... Alcohol is one thing that caught traction in the "tech bro ecosystem". So put two and two together and what do you get? https://www.wired.com/2016/12/techs-alcohol-soaked-culture-isnt-party-everybody/ https://www.wired.com/2016/12/techs-alcohol-soaked-culture-i... https://www.softwareiseasypeoplearehard.com/does-the-tech-industry-has-a-drinking-problem/ https://www.softwareiseasypeoplearehard.com/does-the-tech-in... https://www.forbes.com/sites/csr/2011/03/18/drinking-at-work-office-perk-or-employee-right/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/csr/2011/03/18/drinking-at-work... https://technical.ly/philly/2016/05/02/alcohol-tech-events/ https://technical.ly/philly/2016/05/02/alcohol-tech-events/ https://www.teamgather.co/blog/ping-pong-tables-and-beer-kegs https://www.teamgather.co/blog/ping-pong-tables-and-beer-keg... https://www.huntonlaborblog.com/2019/01/articles/employment-policies/companies-rethinking-approach-alcohol-workplace/ https://www.huntonlaborblog.com/2019/01/articles/employment-... HN is the only place people would actually pretend alcohol is not part of the tech-bro persona lol. Can't admit there's a problem right? At least in the last few years people have realized it's a bad idea. All those pesky HR department and their "inclusion" and "drinking culture shouldn't replace a work culture" noise amiright?
- Zababa 5y ago
  I've never worked in the US, and don't live there. I don't think asking for more evidence than a comment and a survey of 1000 people in a sector at least a million of people is a display of a lack of critical thinking. In fact I'd say it's quite the opposite. You talked about the last 2 decades, yet nothing in the article talked about that too. The articles you linked there are more substential. I personally live in France. I don't know about the tech industry as a whole, but drinking is the was young adults socialize. I personally don't drink much, so I know how it feels to have people pressuring you to drink more every time you're at a social event. I understand that it's the internet, that you don't know me and that you probably faced plenty of people pretending to be neutral while they were trying to refute what you said, but this wasn't the case here.
  - BoorishBears 5y ago
    I stopped reading at the first line. The comment is about the US, the comments I replied to are about the US. I frankly don't care about your perspective as an outsider, these aren't your problems or struggles you don't know them or understand them.

by Zababa 5y ago

BoorishBears 5y ago

It's not supporting my claims without asking critical thinking of the reader, that's a tough ask I know... There are more studies than you could ask for showing we hire people we'd like to hang out with: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/11/121129093008.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/11/121129093008.h... Alcohol is one thing that caught traction in the "tech bro ecosystem". So put two and two together and what do you get? https://www.wired.com/2016/12/techs-alcohol-soaked-culture-isnt-party-everybody/ https://www.wired.com/2016/12/techs-alcohol-soaked-culture-i... https://www.softwareiseasypeoplearehard.com/does-the-tech-industry-has-a-drinking-problem/ https://www.softwareiseasypeoplearehard.com/does-the-tech-in... https://www.forbes.com/sites/csr/2011/03/18/drinking-at-work-office-perk-or-employee-right/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/csr/2011/03/18/drinking-at-work... https://technical.ly/philly/2016/05/02/alcohol-tech-events/ https://technical.ly/philly/2016/05/02/alcohol-tech-events/ https://www.teamgather.co/blog/ping-pong-tables-and-beer-kegs https://www.teamgather.co/blog/ping-pong-tables-and-beer-keg... https://www.huntonlaborblog.com/2019/01/articles/employment-policies/companies-rethinking-approach-alcohol-workplace/ https://www.huntonlaborblog.com/2019/01/articles/employment-... HN is the only place people would actually pretend alcohol is not part of the tech-bro persona lol. Can't admit there's a problem right? At least in the last few years people have realized it's a bad idea. All those pesky HR department and their "inclusion" and "drinking culture shouldn't replace a work culture" noise amiright?

Zababa 5y ago
I've never worked in the US, and don't live there. I don't think asking for more evidence than a comment and a survey of 1000 people in a sector at least a million of people is a display of a lack of critical thinking. In fact I'd say it's quite the opposite. You talked about the last 2 decades, yet nothing in the article talked about that too. The articles you linked there are more substential. I personally live in France. I don't know about the tech industry as a whole, but drinking is the was young adults socialize. I personally don't drink much, so I know how it feels to have people pressuring you to drink more every time you're at a social event. I understand that it's the internet, that you don't know me and that you probably faced plenty of people pretending to be neutral while they were trying to refute what you said, but this wasn't the case here.
- BoorishBears 5y ago
  I stopped reading at the first line. The comment is about the US, the comments I replied to are about the US. I frankly don't care about your perspective as an outsider, these aren't your problems or struggles you don't know them or understand them.