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I've never seen a pay increase above ~2% here in Sweden. Some union agreements allow larger (and lower) changes if the average increase is still the decided upo

I've never seen a pay increase above ~2% here in Sweden. Some union agreements allow larger (and lower) changes if the average increase is still the decided upon percentage.

the-alt-one 5y ago
Eh, I'm unionized and had a 13% pay raise. To be fair, they motivated that by saying that I should get up to speed with other engineer's raises instead of staying at a junior level (yes, I'm bragging).
- MrPatan 5y ago
  What I'm reading here is the union kept your initial wages 13% below market
  - skinkestek 5y ago
    Not unionized[1], but this is something I'd accuse unions of. [1]: because no uninon ever manages to not try to meddle in international politics. Gandalf in LOTR had it right: he did not want power because he knew he would be tempted to try to do a lot of good things.
    - Jochim 5y ago
      This sounds like you're arguing workers should leave things to their "betters"...
      - skinkestek 5y ago
        I'm missing a "not" somewhere in there. The way it stands the downvotes are deserved. I'm personally not unionized but this is not something I would accuse the union of ;-)
  - the-alt-one 5y ago
    Nah, I was straight out of uni so taken on as a junior by the company and then given a raise as they didn't consider me junior after having me work there for 8 months or so. The union is probably involved in standard pay levels, but not much more than that.
  - Ekaros 5y ago
    Unions in Nordic countries don't stop employers from paying more, they just set minimum pay level. And usually the normal raise level. They can always pay more and usually do with fields like software engineering.
cycomanic 5y ago
? I've had a raise above 2% every year since I've come to Sweden in 2016. Our raises are determined on a scale based on performance. IIRC the average raise is negotiated by the union, but where on that scale you sit is determined by negotiation between you and your manager. Edit: Sorry I might have misread your comment. I should say that our average increase was also above 2% several of those years.

I've never seen a pay increase above ~2% here in Sweden. Some union agreements allow larger (and lower) changes if the average increase is still the decided upon percentage.

the-alt-one 5y ago

Eh, I'm unionized and had a 13% pay raise. To be fair, they motivated that by saying that I should get up to speed with other engineer's raises instead of staying at a junior level (yes, I'm bragging).

MrPatan 5y ago
What I'm reading here is the union kept your initial wages 13% below market
- skinkestek 5y ago
  Not unionized[1], but this is something I'd accuse unions of. [1]: because no uninon ever manages to not try to meddle in international politics. Gandalf in LOTR had it right: he did not want power because he knew he would be tempted to try to do a lot of good things.
  - Jochim 5y ago
    This sounds like you're arguing workers should leave things to their "betters"...
    - skinkestek 5y ago
      I'm missing a "not" somewhere in there. The way it stands the downvotes are deserved. I'm personally not unionized but this is not something I would accuse the union of ;-)
- the-alt-one 5y ago
  Nah, I was straight out of uni so taken on as a junior by the company and then given a raise as they didn't consider me junior after having me work there for 8 months or so. The union is probably involved in standard pay levels, but not much more than that.
- Ekaros 5y ago
  Unions in Nordic countries don't stop employers from paying more, they just set minimum pay level. And usually the normal raise level. They can always pay more and usually do with fields like software engineering.

cycomanic 5y ago

? I've had a raise above 2% every year since I've come to Sweden in 2016. Our raises are determined on a scale based on performance. IIRC the average raise is negotiated by the union, but where on that scale you sit is determined by negotiation between you and your manager. Edit: Sorry I might have misread your comment. I should say that our average increase was also above 2% several of those years.