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This is why I love to study history, you can almost predict the future by studying the past. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution https://en.m.wik

by whydid 5y ago

This is why I love to study history, you can almost predict the future by studying the past. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution

selestify 5y ago
Past Performance Is Not Indicative Of Future Results. You see many of the same trends in history, yes, but also many surprises. History repeats itself, the second time as farce.
- random_kris 5y ago
  history does not repeat itself, but it rhymes
  - 1500100900 5y ago
    but is it "Gucci Gang" rhymes or "The expense of spirit in a waste of shame" rhymes?
    - random_kris 5y ago
      That is left as an exercise for the reader
carabiner 5y ago
I wish I could do this to a useful degree so that I could become a billionaire.
thatguy0900 5y ago
I wonder how much time we have left for a real citizen revolution. Is is not difficult to imagine a near future with an automated and mechanized military and police with equipment that cannot go rogue. People in the US like to talk about guns as protections against state tyranny but not many have automated laser point defence for drone attacks.
- kelseyfrog 5y ago
  A work stoppage is more realistic than direct combat. What are they going to do? Force us to work? For example, with the way supply chains are right now, how much leverage do transportation/logistics workers have to force a change?
  - gentleman11 5y ago
    Strikes are illegal in many industries. So, literally, the answer is yes
    - phreeza 5y ago
      Can't force someone to not strike who never entered the workforce in a meaningful way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_ping https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_ping https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=JXII https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=JXII
    - DnDGrognard 5y ago
      Not many industries and not all strikes have to be legal
    - kelseyfrog 5y ago
      Fascinating! Any more info on which industries and by which means people would be forced to work?
- mellavora 5y ago
  I miss the days when people were better educated in civics. You are right, people talk about guns as protection against state tyrany, but they forget that the reason it works as protection against the state is because the person bringing violence against the state is willing to become a martyr. The more the state pays in blood, the more it looses it legitimacy.
  - ModernMech 5y ago
    Tyranny doesn’t happen by force. Tyranny doesn’t look like a burglar breaking into your house, and defeating tyranny doesn’t look like you gunning them down. Tyranny is invited. It happens when you willingly open the door to someone who says they are going to solve all your problems, yet they never do. They will always blame someone else when the problems aren’t solved, and you will believe them because you believed them once before. You won’t even recognize this as tyranny because you will be so outraged at the people the tyrant tells you are to blame for your problems. Slowly these people disappear, yet the problems remain. Until one day the tyrant blames you for the problems of the world. And suddenly you recognize the tyranny for what it is. You reach for your gun but it does you no good. At this point the tyrant has turned everyone against you, just as he had turned you against others. The process continues until there’s no one left to blame, and the tyrant at this point usually ends up hanging from a tree, or hiding in a hole in the ground. But at no point in this process is a gun useful for preventing tyranny, unless you’re willing to actually be a martyr and kill the tyrant before anyone recognizes him as such. You’ll be labeled a murderer and sentenced to life in prison, but you will have prevented tyranny.
kelseyfrog 5y ago
You may already be a listener, but I've found great joy in listening to Mike Duncan's Revolutions[1]. It makes it easier to pick out what structures, people, and events today might make their way into history books(or podcasts of the future) one hundred years from now should things go pear-shaped. There are many points to be made, but one that tends to go less appreciated is that in the period leading up to the dramatic revolutionary events there isn't a constant increase in tension. There are flare ups of course, but they punctuate years of relative peace. Just because tensions die down for a bit does not mean things are getting fixed. Quite the opposite, it lulls people into complacency. That is, until the systemic deficiencies paired with personalities unable to address them collide and everything falls apart. 1. https://thehistoryofrome.typepad.com/revolutions_podcast/ https://thehistoryofrome.typepad.com/revolutions_podcast/
knowaveragejoe 5y ago
Ah yes, a violent revolution that achieved none of its stated goals and lead to immense tragedy amongst the people it was ostensibly trying to help.
goodpoint 5y ago
Reminder: the level of inequality before the French revolution was *lower* that what it is now.
- ericd 5y ago
  Another reminder: food was far more expensive then, they had food shortages, and a significant portion of the population could barely afford to eat. It is certainly not worse right now.
throaway46546 5y ago
Sometimes it doesn't end as well... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_the_Weimar_R...

by whydid 5y ago

This is why I love to study history, you can almost predict the future by studying the past. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution

selestify 5y ago

Past Performance Is Not Indicative Of Future Results. You see many of the same trends in history, yes, but also many surprises. History repeats itself, the second time as farce.

random_kris 5y ago
history does not repeat itself, but it rhymes
- 1500100900 5y ago
  but is it "Gucci Gang" rhymes or "The expense of spirit in a waste of shame" rhymes?
  - random_kris 5y ago
    That is left as an exercise for the reader

carabiner 5y ago

I wish I could do this to a useful degree so that I could become a billionaire.

thatguy0900 5y ago

I wonder how much time we have left for a real citizen revolution. Is is not difficult to imagine a near future with an automated and mechanized military and police with equipment that cannot go rogue. People in the US like to talk about guns as protections against state tyranny but not many have automated laser point defence for drone attacks.

kelseyfrog 5y ago
A work stoppage is more realistic than direct combat. What are they going to do? Force us to work? For example, with the way supply chains are right now, how much leverage do transportation/logistics workers have to force a change?
- gentleman11 5y ago
  Strikes are illegal in many industries. So, literally, the answer is yes
  - phreeza 5y ago
    Can't force someone to not strike who never entered the workforce in a meaningful way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_ping https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_ping https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=JXII https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=JXII
  - DnDGrognard 5y ago
    Not many industries and not all strikes have to be legal
  - kelseyfrog 5y ago
    Fascinating! Any more info on which industries and by which means people would be forced to work?
mellavora 5y ago
I miss the days when people were better educated in civics. You are right, people talk about guns as protection against state tyrany, but they forget that the reason it works as protection against the state is because the person bringing violence against the state is willing to become a martyr. The more the state pays in blood, the more it looses it legitimacy.
- ModernMech 5y ago
  Tyranny doesn’t happen by force. Tyranny doesn’t look like a burglar breaking into your house, and defeating tyranny doesn’t look like you gunning them down. Tyranny is invited. It happens when you willingly open the door to someone who says they are going to solve all your problems, yet they never do. They will always blame someone else when the problems aren’t solved, and you will believe them because you believed them once before. You won’t even recognize this as tyranny because you will be so outraged at the people the tyrant tells you are to blame for your problems. Slowly these people disappear, yet the problems remain. Until one day the tyrant blames you for the problems of the world. And suddenly you recognize the tyranny for what it is. You reach for your gun but it does you no good. At this point the tyrant has turned everyone against you, just as he had turned you against others. The process continues until there’s no one left to blame, and the tyrant at this point usually ends up hanging from a tree, or hiding in a hole in the ground. But at no point in this process is a gun useful for preventing tyranny, unless you’re willing to actually be a martyr and kill the tyrant before anyone recognizes him as such. You’ll be labeled a murderer and sentenced to life in prison, but you will have prevented tyranny.

kelseyfrog 5y ago

You may already be a listener, but I've found great joy in listening to Mike Duncan's Revolutions[1]. It makes it easier to pick out what structures, people, and events today might make their way into history books(or podcasts of the future) one hundred years from now should things go pear-shaped. There are many points to be made, but one that tends to go less appreciated is that in the period leading up to the dramatic revolutionary events there isn't a constant increase in tension. There are flare ups of course, but they punctuate years of relative peace. Just because tensions die down for a bit does not mean things are getting fixed. Quite the opposite, it lulls people into complacency. That is, until the systemic deficiencies paired with personalities unable to address them collide and everything falls apart. 1. https://thehistoryofrome.typepad.com/revolutions_podcast/ https://thehistoryofrome.typepad.com/revolutions_podcast/

knowaveragejoe 5y ago

Ah yes, a violent revolution that achieved none of its stated goals and lead to immense tragedy amongst the people it was ostensibly trying to help.

goodpoint 5y ago

Reminder: the level of inequality before the French revolution was *lower* that what it is now.

ericd 5y ago
Another reminder: food was far more expensive then, they had food shortages, and a significant portion of the population could barely afford to eat. It is certainly not worse right now.

throaway46546 5y ago

Sometimes it doesn't end as well... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_the_Weimar_R...