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Then that'll be the day proof of stake cryptos rise to the occasion. Also, just use a friggin VPN.

withinboredom 5y ago
IMHO, VPNs scare me more than ISPs spying on me. I ran a small ISP (<100 subscribers) and the sheer amount of data you could collect on a single person was mind boggling. This was pre-https-all-the-things, so I’m sure it’s better these days. Still, do I really want my traffic to go through some unregulated entity? Not really…
- selestify 5y ago
  Hah! That's fair. I'm just saying, if you still wanted access to your crypto assets after the ban, they should likely still be quite accessible.
omarfarooq 5y ago
How would proof of stake mitigate ISP blocks? These still communicate with other nodes over TCP/IP.
- hammyhavoc 5y ago
  The fantasy of the block being rolled back because now they're doing something different.
- selestify 5y ago
  Given the comment I was responding to, I was assuming that only a ban would be attempted on the environmentally unfriendly cryptos. How would you propose to ban all cryptos? We haven't even been able to ban torrents.
  - omarfarooq 5y ago
    I believe it is possible to ban them, with a combination of multinational regulation and technical coordination with ISPs. Not easy nor even likely. ISPs could simply run honeypots that in real time sniff out who is running a blockchain node and block traffic to those IPs. These nodes must broadcast publicly to other nodes to even function, so they can't hide the fact that they are a blockchain node: they are forced to peer with whoever else is... peering in the same direction, pun intended. I'd love to know what gaps in my knowledge invalidate the above thesis, though.
    - selestify 5y ago
      Is the same not true of torrents?
      - omarfarooq 5y ago
        The difference being that torrents only have ISPs sending out DMCA notices for violators, not shutting off their internet.
        selestify 5y ago
        Well okay, I mean if you go all out North Korea, I suppose it's possible to ban crypto in your country.
        omarfarooq 5y ago
        So we're agreed it is technically possible. Technically as in code.

IMHO, VPNs scare me more than ISPs spying on me. I ran a small ISP (<100 subscribers) and the sheer amount of data you could collect on a single person was mind boggling. This was pre-https-all-the-things, so I’m sure it’s better these days. Still, do I really want my traffic to go through some unregulated entity? Not really…

selestify 5y ago
Hah! That's fair. I'm just saying, if you still wanted access to your crypto assets after the ban, they should likely still be quite accessible.

omarfarooq 5y ago

How would proof of stake mitigate ISP blocks? These still communicate with other nodes over TCP/IP.

hammyhavoc 5y ago
The fantasy of the block being rolled back because now they're doing something different.
selestify 5y ago
Given the comment I was responding to, I was assuming that only a ban would be attempted on the environmentally unfriendly cryptos. How would you propose to ban all cryptos? We haven't even been able to ban torrents.
- omarfarooq 5y ago
  I believe it is possible to ban them, with a combination of multinational regulation and technical coordination with ISPs. Not easy nor even likely. ISPs could simply run honeypots that in real time sniff out who is running a blockchain node and block traffic to those IPs. These nodes must broadcast publicly to other nodes to even function, so they can't hide the fact that they are a blockchain node: they are forced to peer with whoever else is... peering in the same direction, pun intended. I'd love to know what gaps in my knowledge invalidate the above thesis, though.
  - selestify 5y ago
    Is the same not true of torrents?
    - omarfarooq 5y ago
      The difference being that torrents only have ISPs sending out DMCA notices for violators, not shutting off their internet.
      - selestify 5y ago
        Well okay, I mean if you go all out North Korea, I suppose it's possible to ban crypto in your country.
        omarfarooq 5y ago
        So we're agreed it is technically possible. Technically as in code.