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> We are all unappreciated beta testers. What makes it worse is that you are PAYING to test their buggy software.

by k_sze 5y ago

mschuster91 5y ago
Unlike Microsoft, Apple doesn't make anyone pay for the OS since... 2013 IIRC?
- herbst 5y ago
  Don't you just get a free license when you buy their expensive ~locked down~ hardware? Afaik you don't get free osx licenses for hackintosh or virtual build machines.
  - mschuster91 5y ago
    > Don't you just get a free license when you buy their expensive locked down hardware? Apple hardware capable of running macOS may be expensive, but "locked down"? Definitely not. You can run Debian on anything from old PowerMacs to the new M1 model, although I admit that the driver situation on M1 isn't feature-complete.
    - herbst 5y ago
      You are right, locked down is definitely to strong. My assumption is based on driver issues you might face in the past.
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    - ben-schaaf 5y ago
      On the other hand iPhones and iPads are very locked down.
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago
  >Unlike Microsoft, Apple doesn't make anyone pay for the OS since... 2013 IIRC? Really? Please let me know where I can get the latest MacOS for free to replace Windows with it on my PC.
  - colejohnson66 5y ago
    Don’t be like that. Providing it for free does not mean that it has to work on your device. By that definition, no software (including non-Apple) for macOS is ever free because it requires a more expensive computer to run. Besides, there’s guides-a-plenty all over the internet about making “Hackintoshes”.
    - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
      Then the comparison on pricing between Windows and MacOS that grandparent made doesn't make sense if one cannot be bough without accompanying hardware, unlike the other, effectively making MacOS priced into the hardware itself, so the comparison falls flat from the start. By that logic iOS and Android are also free and you can alo get Windows for free with various OEM Laptops and system if we use that logic with the difference that you can choose to purchase Windows licenses to use on a machine you build yourself vs the inability to purchase an separate MacOS license without any Apple hardware. So any comparisons on the price of the OS are moot since the cost of MacOS is priced into the accompanying hardware, MacBook, iMAc, etc as you cannot buy it without.
    - NoSorryCannot 5y ago
      Characterizing macOS as something Apple intends to distribute as free is mostly false. They intend to charge for it with the purchase of a Mac. Microsoft also distributes Windows "for free" on their website and if you care not at all about license terms as we evidently don't when it comes to Mac OS, then it presents no moral quandary to disable its activation annoyances. Is Windows free?
      - pram 5y ago
        There is no license that can be purchased for MacOS. It literally has no cost in any circumstance. This is just tortured sophistry to arrive at the tremendous conclusion that Windows does, and sometimes doesn’t, cost money. Is windows free? "Sometimes!"
- hamburglar 5y ago
  When was the last time you heard of someone actually buying a copy of Windows, though? I've owned a lot of different versions of Windows in the past 30 years, but never paid for a single one.
  - Sophira 5y ago
    I know someone who bought a copy of Windows 10 for their computer, because they asked me to help install it. It was definitely not an OEM thing, and the packaging had a USB drive in it.

> We are all unappreciated beta testers. What makes it worse is that you are PAYING to test their buggy software.

by k_sze 5y ago

> We are all unappreciated beta testers. What makes it worse is that you are PAYING to test their buggy software.

mschuster91 5y ago

Unlike Microsoft, Apple doesn't make anyone pay for the OS since... 2013 IIRC?

herbst 5y ago
Don't you just get a free license when you buy their expensive ~locked down~ hardware? Afaik you don't get free osx licenses for hackintosh or virtual build machines.
- mschuster91 5y ago
  > Don't you just get a free license when you buy their expensive locked down hardware? Apple hardware capable of running macOS may be expensive, but "locked down"? Definitely not. You can run Debian on anything from old PowerMacs to the new M1 model, although I admit that the driver situation on M1 isn't feature-complete.
  - herbst 5y ago
    You are right, locked down is definitely to strong. My assumption is based on driver issues you might face in the past.
    - deleted 5y ago
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  - ben-schaaf 5y ago
    On the other hand iPhones and iPads are very locked down.
ChuckNorris89 5y ago
>Unlike Microsoft, Apple doesn't make anyone pay for the OS since... 2013 IIRC? Really? Please let me know where I can get the latest MacOS for free to replace Windows with it on my PC.
- colejohnson66 5y ago
  Don’t be like that. Providing it for free does not mean that it has to work on your device. By that definition, no software (including non-Apple) for macOS is ever free because it requires a more expensive computer to run. Besides, there’s guides-a-plenty all over the internet about making “Hackintoshes”.
  - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
    Then the comparison on pricing between Windows and MacOS that grandparent made doesn't make sense if one cannot be bough without accompanying hardware, unlike the other, effectively making MacOS priced into the hardware itself, so the comparison falls flat from the start. By that logic iOS and Android are also free and you can alo get Windows for free with various OEM Laptops and system if we use that logic with the difference that you can choose to purchase Windows licenses to use on a machine you build yourself vs the inability to purchase an separate MacOS license without any Apple hardware. So any comparisons on the price of the OS are moot since the cost of MacOS is priced into the accompanying hardware, MacBook, iMAc, etc as you cannot buy it without.
  - NoSorryCannot 5y ago
    Characterizing macOS as something Apple intends to distribute as free is mostly false. They intend to charge for it with the purchase of a Mac. Microsoft also distributes Windows "for free" on their website and if you care not at all about license terms as we evidently don't when it comes to Mac OS, then it presents no moral quandary to disable its activation annoyances. Is Windows free?
    - pram 5y ago
      There is no license that can be purchased for MacOS. It literally has no cost in any circumstance. This is just tortured sophistry to arrive at the tremendous conclusion that Windows does, and sometimes doesn’t, cost money. Is windows free? "Sometimes!"
hamburglar 5y ago
When was the last time you heard of someone actually buying a copy of Windows, though? I've owned a lot of different versions of Windows in the past 30 years, but never paid for a single one.
- Sophira 5y ago
  I know someone who bought a copy of Windows 10 for their computer, because they asked me to help install it. It was definitely not an OEM thing, and the packaging had a USB drive in it.