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The person you're replying to has already addressed your points: > Yes, blockchains are slower and more expensive. This is the current cost of enabling the two

The person you're replying to has already addressed your points: > Yes, blockchains are slower and more expensive. This is the current cost of enabling the two facets above. If we're not comparing blockchain dapps to other systems that offer the same assurances, then we're comparing apples and oranges. Could you please respond more meaningfully to the conversation?

jjnoakes 5y ago
I thought I did... That quoted paragraph doesn't negate my point which is that I do get the same (or very similar) assurances elsewhere, so I think the comparison is valid.
- selestify 5y ago
  Ah my bad, I thought you were focusing on the features rather than the assurances. I'll respond to the other comment you made.
  - jjnoakes 5y ago
    To me the two words (feature and assurance) are synonyms in this discussion. I meant both above.
DannyBee 5y ago
They didn't address the points - they tried to say nobody gets to compare other things unless they do <the two facets that dapps offer>. Which is wrong.
- selestify 5y ago
  They said it's an apples to oranges comparison unless both things do <the two facets that dapps offer>. Which is absolutely correct. You could compare apples to oranges if you wanted to... but usually there's no point in doing so.
  - DannyBee 5y ago
    As I said to OP, no, it's not apples to oranges, you are absolutely wrong. It's comparisons of different points in the app architecture space, and that's normal, and not pointless as you claim. You can't wave away the serious issues by saying "there's no point in comparing them" Lots of things offer different functionality and tradeoffs. If you want to play in the space of "web app", you can and should be compared to things that are solutions for producing "web apps". We compare codeless web apps to code ones, etc. The same way people compare gas and electric vehicles. Or minivans and suvs and trucks. Or, well, everything in a solution space. Any solution for a given use case can and should get compared with other solutions for that use case. I'm really sorry that it doesn't seem (judging by this thread) to compare particularly well for most developers, but that doesn't invalidate the comparison.
    - selestify 5y ago
      > Any solution for a given use case can and should get compared with other solutions for that use case. And the current use cases are sufficiently different that it's like comparing apples and oranges. > I'm really sorry that it doesn't seem (judging by this thread) to compare particularly well for most developers, but that doesn't invalidate the comparison. Again, do you think the same of Tor? It doesn't compare particularly well by most mainstream metrics. High latency, low bandwidth. And yet it serves a lot of value to a lot of people. But then some smartass goes and says "It's completely useless tech, I can host a simple static website on clearnet for much less hassle." Yeah, duh, but that's not the point of Tor. Go use the clearnet if that's what you're looking to do.
      - DannyBee 5y ago
        "And the current use cases are sufficiently different that it's like comparing apples and oranges." Uh, what? This whole thread and post is about the argument that replacing existing apps with dapps will be better (or worse).
        selestify 5y ago

jjnoakes 5y ago

I thought I did... That quoted paragraph doesn't negate my point which is that I do get the same (or very similar) assurances elsewhere, so I think the comparison is valid.

selestify 5y ago
Ah my bad, I thought you were focusing on the features rather than the assurances. I'll respond to the other comment you made.
- jjnoakes 5y ago
  To me the two words (feature and assurance) are synonyms in this discussion. I meant both above.

DannyBee 5y ago

They didn't address the points - they tried to say nobody gets to compare other things unless they do <the two facets that dapps offer>. Which is wrong.

selestify 5y ago
They said it's an apples to oranges comparison unless both things do <the two facets that dapps offer>. Which is absolutely correct. You could compare apples to oranges if you wanted to... but usually there's no point in doing so.
- DannyBee 5y ago
  As I said to OP, no, it's not apples to oranges, you are absolutely wrong. It's comparisons of different points in the app architecture space, and that's normal, and not pointless as you claim. You can't wave away the serious issues by saying "there's no point in comparing them" Lots of things offer different functionality and tradeoffs. If you want to play in the space of "web app", you can and should be compared to things that are solutions for producing "web apps". We compare codeless web apps to code ones, etc. The same way people compare gas and electric vehicles. Or minivans and suvs and trucks. Or, well, everything in a solution space. Any solution for a given use case can and should get compared with other solutions for that use case. I'm really sorry that it doesn't seem (judging by this thread) to compare particularly well for most developers, but that doesn't invalidate the comparison.
  - selestify 5y ago
    > Any solution for a given use case can and should get compared with other solutions for that use case. And the current use cases are sufficiently different that it's like comparing apples and oranges. > I'm really sorry that it doesn't seem (judging by this thread) to compare particularly well for most developers, but that doesn't invalidate the comparison. Again, do you think the same of Tor? It doesn't compare particularly well by most mainstream metrics. High latency, low bandwidth. And yet it serves a lot of value to a lot of people. But then some smartass goes and says "It's completely useless tech, I can host a simple static website on clearnet for much less hassle." Yeah, duh, but that's not the point of Tor. Go use the clearnet if that's what you're looking to do.
    - DannyBee 5y ago
      "And the current use cases are sufficiently different that it's like comparing apples and oranges." Uh, what? This whole thread and post is about the argument that replacing existing apps with dapps will be better (or worse).
      - selestify 5y ago