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Programming Isn't Fun Any More

20 points by jackfoxy 15y ago

dasil003 15y ago
If you don't like that maybe you should stop doing enterprise Java for a living. There are whole other worlds of programming out there.
- orangecat 15y ago
  This. My company recently had a training session for their new development platform. Creating one entity with four attributes using "best practices" of TDD and abstracting everything resulted in over 20 Java and XML files and over 2000 lines of code. Each individual piece of that bloat had a somewhat reasonable justification, but the net result was just ridiculous. I had already decided to accept a less enterprisey job elsewhere, and am now even more convinced it was the right call.
  - lucisferre 15y ago
    Wow. That sounded so ridiculous, I'm tempted to go on with my life believing you made it up.
    - lucisferre 15y ago
      Not sure what the down votes were for, it was clearly meant tongue in cheek, I do actually believe the guy, I merely wished I didn't. Man, this place it very quickly turning into reddit with the voting.
- madrox 15y ago
  Agreed. Not taking joy in programming says more about you than the state of programming.
- LearnYouALisp 15y ago
  Let me help you get started: http://www.findinglisp.com http://www.findinglisp.com
SeanLuke 15y ago
> I will assert that you simply can't program any non-trivial program in Java or C++ without an "Environment" to help you. How large is non-trivial? I've built some pretty big systems using only javac, java, a text editor, and make.
AltIvan 15y ago
(mysql_connect(): Too many connections) I guess is no fun to code a database-cache system...
sbierwagen 15y ago
Mysql error.
- battlebee 15y ago
  I thought that was the post itself... very meta.
schwap 15y ago
Cached version: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.neophilic.com%2Fb2evo%2Fblogs%2Fblog4.php%2F2011%2F09%2F02%2Fprogramming-isnt-fun-any-more&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%...
bradleyland 15y ago
Don't tell my team. We have a blast every day.
dosadi 15y ago
Try writing for embedded systems. Not much room for bloat when you have to jam the code into the flash space on a microcontroller.
tychonoff 15y ago
The fact that everybody Googles what others have already done, instead of reading a manual (which no longer exists anyway) says it all. Suppose your car mechanic did that?
Kwpolska 15y ago
Can you please change the skin so I can read it comfortably? The content area is too narrow.
Swizec 15y ago
As a web developer I've lately been noticing this problem as well. Pretty much everything I do lately is about integrating this or that API, producing a little bit of glue code and that's it. Even working for startups mostly doesn't solve the problem ... what I need is a good algorithmic challenge. Something fun and cool. But I fear I might have lost the ability to even design algorithms due to all this tools stuff.

20 points by jackfoxy 15y ago

If you don't like that maybe you should stop doing enterprise Java for a living. There are whole other worlds of programming out there.

orangecat 15y ago
This. My company recently had a training session for their new development platform. Creating one entity with four attributes using "best practices" of TDD and abstracting everything resulted in over 20 Java and XML files and over 2000 lines of code. Each individual piece of that bloat had a somewhat reasonable justification, but the net result was just ridiculous. I had already decided to accept a less enterprisey job elsewhere, and am now even more convinced it was the right call.
- lucisferre 15y ago
  Wow. That sounded so ridiculous, I'm tempted to go on with my life believing you made it up.
  - lucisferre 15y ago
    Not sure what the down votes were for, it was clearly meant tongue in cheek, I do actually believe the guy, I merely wished I didn't. Man, this place it very quickly turning into reddit with the voting.
madrox 15y ago
Agreed. Not taking joy in programming says more about you than the state of programming.
LearnYouALisp 15y ago
Let me help you get started: http://www.findinglisp.com http://www.findinglisp.com

SeanLuke 15y ago

> I will assert that you simply can't program any non-trivial program in Java or C++ without an "Environment" to help you. How large is non-trivial? I've built some pretty big systems using only javac, java, a text editor, and make.

AltIvan 15y ago

(mysql_connect(): Too many connections) I guess is no fun to code a database-cache system...

sbierwagen 15y ago

Mysql error.

battlebee 15y ago
I thought that was the post itself... very meta.

schwap 15y ago

Cached version: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.neophilic.com%2Fb2evo%2Fblogs%2Fblog4.php%2F2011%2F09%2F02%2Fprogramming-isnt-fun-any-more&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%...

bradleyland 15y ago

Don't tell my team. We have a blast every day.

dosadi 15y ago

Try writing for embedded systems. Not much room for bloat when you have to jam the code into the flash space on a microcontroller.

tychonoff 15y ago

The fact that everybody Googles what others have already done, instead of reading a manual (which no longer exists anyway) says it all. Suppose your car mechanic did that?

Kwpolska 15y ago

Can you please change the skin so I can read it comfortably? The content area is too narrow.

Swizec 15y ago

As a web developer I've lately been noticing this problem as well. Pretty much everything I do lately is about integrating this or that API, producing a little bit of glue code and that's it. Even working for startups mostly doesn't solve the problem ... what I need is a good algorithmic challenge. Something fun and cool. But I fear I might have lost the ability to even design algorithms due to all this tools stuff.