The issue as well, I think, is that prior to them leaving a lot of the programming enthusiasts are actually undergraduates, who might as well be vermin as far a

The issue as well, I think, is that prior to them leaving a lot of the programming enthusiasts are actually undergraduates, who might as well be vermin as far as some faculty are concerned so there is almost no spreading of information. I remember getting told off for saying tuple "instead of table" which was depressing.