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How much does he eat? There is an inverse relationship between caloric intake and mortality; the less you eat, the longer you live. Also, keep in mind that anim

How much does he eat? There is an inverse relationship between caloric intake and mortality; the less you eat, the longer you live. Also, keep in mind that animal protein is not necessarily meat, meat would be a subset of animal protein, which means this study does not remotely conclude that meat intake is inversely proportional to mortality. Though some will claim otherwise and I envy them, it is not easy to eat vegetarian, so your anecdotal insinuation that vegetarianism is less healthy could be due to the fact that readily available options, if they exist, are vanishingly slim. For one, there seems to be meat or meat byproduct in everything. No major restaurant chain caters to vegetarian diets, unless you count Subway with all the exposed deli meat and preps touching meat, it can kill appetites, and I wouldn't call Taco Bell's bean burrito catering to the vegetarian diet. Vegetarian restaurants are incredibly rare, and I don't understand why. Most restaurants will have a single dish that is vegetarian on a menu that is 4-5 oversized pages long. And if you're in the sticks, forget it everything has meat, and often it is causing trouble to ask the meat be left out. And when you do find a vegetarian restaurant, the entrees are often exotic and bizarre (even if delicious, they just don't need to be that complicated or expensive). I don't get why there isn't a restaurant that prepares and serves everything Americana except the gratuitously included meat in every single entree. If I had any startup money, I'd open a chain of vegetarian fast food restaurants that serves all vegetarian entrees, with plenty of calories and nailing all the nutrition metrics, but made only with familiar food resulting in familiar, non-intimidating dishes with prices compatible with those of any fast food place.

pkaye 5y ago
> If I had any startup money, I'd open a chain of vegetarian fast food restaurants that serves all vegetarian entrees... What kind of entrees are you thinking of? I notice more vegetarian and vegan restaurants coming up in the bay area atleast. But the prices seem a bit higher.
- Maursault 5y ago
  > What kind of entrees are you thinking of? I'm not all that creative with food, grilled cheeses would be on the menu, as well as cucumber sandwiches, various fresh raw fruits (apples, pears, citruses, berries, melons, tropicals and exotics), all major forms of how a potato can be prepared, corn on the cob, actually any corn preparation, lot of breads and bakery items (ideally made fresh on site if practical), beans and rice dishes, and just rice and veggie dishes, and pasta dishes with various primavera sauces maybe served in a cup at the drive thru so could be eaten with one hand without utensils, probably would have to have a fryer, so any vegetable would be available fried (I know it's not good, but tastes ok, and can be vegetarian), salads salads salads, all the lettuces and cabbages and spinaches, vegetarian chili (did you know Chili's doesn't serve any vegetarian chili? I mean, come on), veggie tamales, fajitas, tacos, burritos, veggie Chinese dishes (apparently, not yet invented), veggie Japanese dishes, all the cheeses available on anything, maybe a few types of butter, also available on anything, and likely all the various ways to prepare eggs, definitely including fried egg sandwiches with tomato & mayo, but also sim egg preparations if preferred. Meatless breakfasts all day and all night. I can't stand tofu, but some people like it and it can be prepared to taste like anything, though I've had these great veggie burgers before that do not taste or look at all like burgers or meat, just a veggie formulation in a patty on a bun with tomato, lettuce, ketchup & mayo that tasted like what it was, and veggies taste really good, so I'd ban any and all meat flavoring and meat simulations. You can get meat taste anywhere else. Also, chick pea formulations, various ranges of humus (I made a humus once without tahini, and mixed in banana and used strawberry rather than pimento, and no one who tasted it could believe how amazing it was... gave away about 20 sandwiches that day). The thing that would be great about this restaurant is that I wouldn't have to make the food, pros would do it. Also, pretty sure there'd be a juicer somewhere... ever had real juice? It is a crime what passes for juice in a grocery store (I guess the orange juice is ok, little else). Also would have to serve all the gourmet coffees. And shakes, ice creams, frozen yogurts, sorbets and ices. And fresh nuts, all the nuts there are... would probably have a dedicated nut menu, but also available garnished on anything. I honestly know nothing of the business, but I expect it would have to have reliable and just in time suppliers, and over time inventory would stabilize, reducing waste.
  - pkaye 5y ago
    I think you have pretty good ideas. I have not seen a place that does all of those things but a little it here and there. Seen places that just do grilled cheese, or baked potatoes or just corn on the cob. > veggie Chinese dishes (apparently, not yet invented) There are all veggie Chinese restaurants around. This one I've tried it was okay but not top notch Chinese food. https://www.veggieleehaywardca.com/ https://www.veggieleehaywardca.com/ I've been thinking of trying this one myself. https://instore.rawasf.com/?location=11ea381cde02ae71891d54ab3a4df411 https://instore.rawasf.com/?location=11ea381cde02ae71891d54a... These guys have pretty good vegetarian bowls. https://www.thehummusrepublic.com/ https://www.thehummusrepublic.com/
    - Maursault 5y ago
      California has some decent restaurant options for vegetarians, more so than the rest of the US. I lived in Southern California a few times, and though I've never been, I would love a long sabbatical in Northern California. I kind of wish I lived at Skywalker Ranch (maybe not in the main digs, but a little cabin in the woods) and worked at Skywalker Sound, and I could get down to the Bay for the culinary vegetarian delights. I also wouldn't mind living in Cupertino and working for Apple at hq, though I'm not sure what I'd do. I believe most of their systems engineers are spread out thin across the country rather than concentrated at any Apple offices. Instead I contract around Tidewater VA, and it suits me, but for the deficit of restaurants with vegetarian dishes.
jp0d 5y ago
I don't think he is healthy just because of eating meat. He is healthy because of a number of factors. 1. He ate good quality food, that includes both meat and vegetables that he grew for consumption. 2. Farming is hard work so he physically quite fit. In fact even at this advanced age he still rides bike around. 3. Portion control: He never eats more than he needs. 4. He is quite stoic and usually doesn't give shit in the face of adversity. It's important to eat a lot of vegetables along with meat. I don't think eating anything in excess is good for health. >> Also, keep in mind that animal protein is not necessarily meat, meat would be a subset of animal protein.. Yes, I understand what animal protein means. I also understand that you're possibly a vegetarian. I was a vegetarian for 13 years but I'd to start eating meat again for personal reasons. I think I feel a lot healthier with a meat based diet. Also, I didn't insinuate that vegetarianism is less healthy. I only reported by observation in my family circle. Most of the people who're eating a pure vegetarian diet have serious ailments. And most people who grew up eating meat are comparatively healthier. Although, in the current times I don't think it matters much. Most of the food produced are full of toxic shit. And it could be the reason for their ailments not just meat or vegetarian diet. Just to clarify, my family is in India. The quality of food has gone down drastically in the recent years.
- Maursault 5y ago
  I would recommend you pay very close attention to how you feel in the first three hours after eating, say, a nice sized filet minion. One day it just hit me that meat always kicks my ass. I used to love going to Outback for the steak. Then it occurred to me, every single time I ate meat, digesting it would exhaust me. I'd usually lose consciousness within an hour after eating, and it is ordinary to feel sleepy after eating, but I'm talking about an overwhelming, irresistible tiredness that lasted hours. I'd be out for 2-3 hours, and always woken by GI discomfort. Without fail, meat ultimately puts me on the toilet. Once I realized the result was always the same, quitting meat was an easy decision, yet being a vegetarian is hard (because this society makes it hard, not only to be a vegetarian, this society makes it hard to find anything but crap to eat).

pkaye 5y ago

> If I had any startup money, I'd open a chain of vegetarian fast food restaurants that serves all vegetarian entrees... What kind of entrees are you thinking of? I notice more vegetarian and vegan restaurants coming up in the bay area atleast. But the prices seem a bit higher.

Maursault 5y ago
> What kind of entrees are you thinking of? I'm not all that creative with food, grilled cheeses would be on the menu, as well as cucumber sandwiches, various fresh raw fruits (apples, pears, citruses, berries, melons, tropicals and exotics), all major forms of how a potato can be prepared, corn on the cob, actually any corn preparation, lot of breads and bakery items (ideally made fresh on site if practical), beans and rice dishes, and just rice and veggie dishes, and pasta dishes with various primavera sauces maybe served in a cup at the drive thru so could be eaten with one hand without utensils, probably would have to have a fryer, so any vegetable would be available fried (I know it's not good, but tastes ok, and can be vegetarian), salads salads salads, all the lettuces and cabbages and spinaches, vegetarian chili (did you know Chili's doesn't serve any vegetarian chili? I mean, come on), veggie tamales, fajitas, tacos, burritos, veggie Chinese dishes (apparently, not yet invented), veggie Japanese dishes, all the cheeses available on anything, maybe a few types of butter, also available on anything, and likely all the various ways to prepare eggs, definitely including fried egg sandwiches with tomato & mayo, but also sim egg preparations if preferred. Meatless breakfasts all day and all night. I can't stand tofu, but some people like it and it can be prepared to taste like anything, though I've had these great veggie burgers before that do not taste or look at all like burgers or meat, just a veggie formulation in a patty on a bun with tomato, lettuce, ketchup & mayo that tasted like what it was, and veggies taste really good, so I'd ban any and all meat flavoring and meat simulations. You can get meat taste anywhere else. Also, chick pea formulations, various ranges of humus (I made a humus once without tahini, and mixed in banana and used strawberry rather than pimento, and no one who tasted it could believe how amazing it was... gave away about 20 sandwiches that day). The thing that would be great about this restaurant is that I wouldn't have to make the food, pros would do it. Also, pretty sure there'd be a juicer somewhere... ever had real juice? It is a crime what passes for juice in a grocery store (I guess the orange juice is ok, little else). Also would have to serve all the gourmet coffees. And shakes, ice creams, frozen yogurts, sorbets and ices. And fresh nuts, all the nuts there are... would probably have a dedicated nut menu, but also available garnished on anything. I honestly know nothing of the business, but I expect it would have to have reliable and just in time suppliers, and over time inventory would stabilize, reducing waste.
- pkaye 5y ago
  I think you have pretty good ideas. I have not seen a place that does all of those things but a little it here and there. Seen places that just do grilled cheese, or baked potatoes or just corn on the cob. > veggie Chinese dishes (apparently, not yet invented) There are all veggie Chinese restaurants around. This one I've tried it was okay but not top notch Chinese food. https://www.veggieleehaywardca.com/ https://www.veggieleehaywardca.com/ I've been thinking of trying this one myself. https://instore.rawasf.com/?location=11ea381cde02ae71891d54ab3a4df411 https://instore.rawasf.com/?location=11ea381cde02ae71891d54a... These guys have pretty good vegetarian bowls. https://www.thehummusrepublic.com/ https://www.thehummusrepublic.com/
  - Maursault 5y ago
    California has some decent restaurant options for vegetarians, more so than the rest of the US. I lived in Southern California a few times, and though I've never been, I would love a long sabbatical in Northern California. I kind of wish I lived at Skywalker Ranch (maybe not in the main digs, but a little cabin in the woods) and worked at Skywalker Sound, and I could get down to the Bay for the culinary vegetarian delights. I also wouldn't mind living in Cupertino and working for Apple at hq, though I'm not sure what I'd do. I believe most of their systems engineers are spread out thin across the country rather than concentrated at any Apple offices. Instead I contract around Tidewater VA, and it suits me, but for the deficit of restaurants with vegetarian dishes.

jp0d 5y ago

I don't think he is healthy just because of eating meat. He is healthy because of a number of factors. 1. He ate good quality food, that includes both meat and vegetables that he grew for consumption. 2. Farming is hard work so he physically quite fit. In fact even at this advanced age he still rides bike around. 3. Portion control: He never eats more than he needs. 4. He is quite stoic and usually doesn't give shit in the face of adversity. It's important to eat a lot of vegetables along with meat. I don't think eating anything in excess is good for health. >> Also, keep in mind that animal protein is not necessarily meat, meat would be a subset of animal protein.. Yes, I understand what animal protein means. I also understand that you're possibly a vegetarian. I was a vegetarian for 13 years but I'd to start eating meat again for personal reasons. I think I feel a lot healthier with a meat based diet. Also, I didn't insinuate that vegetarianism is less healthy. I only reported by observation in my family circle. Most of the people who're eating a pure vegetarian diet have serious ailments. And most people who grew up eating meat are comparatively healthier. Although, in the current times I don't think it matters much. Most of the food produced are full of toxic shit. And it could be the reason for their ailments not just meat or vegetarian diet. Just to clarify, my family is in India. The quality of food has gone down drastically in the recent years.

Maursault 5y ago
I would recommend you pay very close attention to how you feel in the first three hours after eating, say, a nice sized filet minion. One day it just hit me that meat always kicks my ass. I used to love going to Outback for the steak. Then it occurred to me, every single time I ate meat, digesting it would exhaust me. I'd usually lose consciousness within an hour after eating, and it is ordinary to feel sleepy after eating, but I'm talking about an overwhelming, irresistible tiredness that lasted hours. I'd be out for 2-3 hours, and always woken by GI discomfort. Without fail, meat ultimately puts me on the toilet. Once I realized the result was always the same, quitting meat was an easy decision, yet being a vegetarian is hard (because this society makes it hard, not only to be a vegetarian, this society makes it hard to find anything but crap to eat).