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C'mon now... https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-aud-nw-biden-false-meat-story-20210428-eurrx7fqabet3kztw4mypn52ei-story.html https://www.chicagotri

C'mon now... https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-aud-nw-biden-false-meat-story-20210428-eurrx7fqabet3kztw4mypn52ei-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-aud-nw-biden-... Edit: you're still politicizing this in an inappropriate way. Meat production has serious environmental impacts and it's worth looking at ways to address that. Using false political/tribal memes makes your point unworthy of serious consideration.

tomrod 5y ago
I'm still trying to understand what is so undesirable about bugs and soyburgers. These are delicious when cooked well.
- ShrigmaMale 5y ago
  Soy makes guys grow bitch tits (gyno). I know everybody says "oh studies don't show that" but I've talked to guys who ate pretty large amounts trying to go vegetarian and hit high (120+ grams/day) protein intake at reasonable calories and who it happened to. It also tastes awful and the burgers made from it are super processed and unhealthy. A ton of beef may not be super healthy either but a ground beef patty is way healthier than some estrogen laced junk. Looks like cricket protein per calorie is like half chicken breast and also worse than most protein powders so not sure why I'd want it. If there's a bug that's higher protein per calorie and cheaper I'd be open to replacing my powder but I don't want the feds telling me what to eat.
  - tomrod 5y ago
    Guy here. I still see no problem with consumption of soy. Soy burgers cooked well are absolutely delicious. Beef can be good too (we're omnivores, after all) but to make a cult devotion to cheap, antibiotic-laden chuck because you uncritically heard once on the internet that consumption of soy is correlated with increases in estrogen production and misinterpreted or self-trolled your personal interpretation into some kind of hyper alpha-male bro-band only consumes meat and avoids soy and bugs (note: alpha means unfinished in most development circles) is both humorous and telling. I wish you well, and note that you're missing out on some delicious parts of life. Also, bugs can be delicious if cooked well.
    - ShrigmaMale 5y ago
      Nah I've talked to like 4 guys IRL who ended up with bitch tits to varying degrees and the big variable was the soy. They heard that vegetarian was healthy and wanted to try and it's one of the highest protein per calorie vegetarian foods thats cheap. I knew all pretty well and am pretty sure none of them was on gear so not that. Soy is probably fine in small doses but as a major protein source I don't trust it and am not gonna play guinea pig with my health to satisfy somebody's climate policy. Again, it's a good bit worse than chicken breast, lean ground beef, fish etc. in protein per calorie. There's no "bro-band" bullshit the macros are just worse. Plus I don't much like the taste. Smell is also weirdly off putting. Im good with bugs if there's something a bit higher protein than crickets for replacing protein powder but the macros just aren't that good. Mostly I just want the feds Klaus Schwab and the UN to stay the hell out of my kitchen.
      - tomrod 5y ago
        Why live by anecdotes when research has actually looked into whether soy causes gynecomastia? (That is the name for what you refer to as "bitch tits", and I would recommend you consider adopting it so people understand what you are referring to). Here is a reasonable entry point from which you can look up the studies: https://www.mensjournal.com/food-drink/does-soy-really-cause-man-boobs/ https://www.mensjournal.com/food-drink/does-soy-really-cause...
        ShrigmaMale 5y ago
        Well your link discusses kids raised on it. Endocrine system is very different before and after puberty. I'm also talking about higher amounts then studies I've seen covered, as I said the guys I talked to were eating a lot, enough for 120+ grams protein every day. They may have been running close to the guy mentioned who was drinking .75 gallons soymilk every day since they were replacing that much protein. I'd probably have to consume that much to replace my protein intake from chicken, eggs, fish, beef, pork. If you've got something on replacing that kind of animal protein intake with soy or something else I'd be interested in seeing but last time I looked studies on that much soy didn't exist. About all I know that is vegan and has comparable protein per calories to chicken breast is spirulina which tastes like absolute dogshit even in a shake. It is notoriously one of the worst tasting things many people have tried and I agree. Fwiw I put gyno in parentheses in the first comment I just figured most people would know it as bitch tits because that's how its commonly referred to. I'd also point out that my biggest opposition is still laws about what I can eat and how much. Agenda 2030, UN, WEF, and everybody else can fuck right off of my kitchen.

tomrod 5y ago

I'm still trying to understand what is so undesirable about bugs and soyburgers. These are delicious when cooked well.

ShrigmaMale 5y ago
Soy makes guys grow bitch tits (gyno). I know everybody says "oh studies don't show that" but I've talked to guys who ate pretty large amounts trying to go vegetarian and hit high (120+ grams/day) protein intake at reasonable calories and who it happened to. It also tastes awful and the burgers made from it are super processed and unhealthy. A ton of beef may not be super healthy either but a ground beef patty is way healthier than some estrogen laced junk. Looks like cricket protein per calorie is like half chicken breast and also worse than most protein powders so not sure why I'd want it. If there's a bug that's higher protein per calorie and cheaper I'd be open to replacing my powder but I don't want the feds telling me what to eat.
- tomrod 5y ago
  Guy here. I still see no problem with consumption of soy. Soy burgers cooked well are absolutely delicious. Beef can be good too (we're omnivores, after all) but to make a cult devotion to cheap, antibiotic-laden chuck because you uncritically heard once on the internet that consumption of soy is correlated with increases in estrogen production and misinterpreted or self-trolled your personal interpretation into some kind of hyper alpha-male bro-band only consumes meat and avoids soy and bugs (note: alpha means unfinished in most development circles) is both humorous and telling. I wish you well, and note that you're missing out on some delicious parts of life. Also, bugs can be delicious if cooked well.
  - ShrigmaMale 5y ago
    Nah I've talked to like 4 guys IRL who ended up with bitch tits to varying degrees and the big variable was the soy. They heard that vegetarian was healthy and wanted to try and it's one of the highest protein per calorie vegetarian foods thats cheap. I knew all pretty well and am pretty sure none of them was on gear so not that. Soy is probably fine in small doses but as a major protein source I don't trust it and am not gonna play guinea pig with my health to satisfy somebody's climate policy. Again, it's a good bit worse than chicken breast, lean ground beef, fish etc. in protein per calorie. There's no "bro-band" bullshit the macros are just worse. Plus I don't much like the taste. Smell is also weirdly off putting. Im good with bugs if there's something a bit higher protein than crickets for replacing protein powder but the macros just aren't that good. Mostly I just want the feds Klaus Schwab and the UN to stay the hell out of my kitchen.
    - tomrod 5y ago
      Why live by anecdotes when research has actually looked into whether soy causes gynecomastia? (That is the name for what you refer to as "bitch tits", and I would recommend you consider adopting it so people understand what you are referring to). Here is a reasonable entry point from which you can look up the studies: https://www.mensjournal.com/food-drink/does-soy-really-cause-man-boobs/ https://www.mensjournal.com/food-drink/does-soy-really-cause...
      - ShrigmaMale 5y ago
        Well your link discusses kids raised on it. Endocrine system is very different before and after puberty. I'm also talking about higher amounts then studies I've seen covered, as I said the guys I talked to were eating a lot, enough for 120+ grams protein every day. They may have been running close to the guy mentioned who was drinking .75 gallons soymilk every day since they were replacing that much protein. I'd probably have to consume that much to replace my protein intake from chicken, eggs, fish, beef, pork. If you've got something on replacing that kind of animal protein intake with soy or something else I'd be interested in seeing but last time I looked studies on that much soy didn't exist. About all I know that is vegan and has comparable protein per calories to chicken breast is spirulina which tastes like absolute dogshit even in a shake. It is notoriously one of the worst tasting things many people have tried and I agree. Fwiw I put gyno in parentheses in the first comment I just figured most people would know it as bitch tits because that's how its commonly referred to. I'd also point out that my biggest opposition is still laws about what I can eat and how much. Agenda 2030, UN, WEF, and everybody else can fuck right off of my kitchen.