Pathfinder is great for optimization nerds like us. If you can't find tabletop group check out pathfinder:kingmaker and pathfinder:wotr computer games. I think

Pathfinder is great for optimization nerds like us. If you can't find tabletop group check out pathfinder:kingmaker and pathfinder:wotr computer games. I think I spent equal time on character sheet than actually playing. Some META builds are borderline funny, e.g. top one from https://www.neoseeker.com/pathfinder-wrath-of-the-righteous/builds/Main_Character https://www.neoseeker.com/pathfinder-wrath-of-the-righteous/... : Monk1, Sorcerer4, Loremaster 1, Dragon Disciple 4, Eldritch Knight 10, Lich 10.