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a couple of fine points - you need a lot of batteries to get through a couple of weeks of cloudy weather. or generator - in california it might be kinda illeg

a couple of fine points - you need a lot of batteries to get through a couple of weeks of cloudy weather. or generator - in california it might be kinda illegal to disconnect from grid (violation of building codes and such: https://www.cailaw.org/media/files/IEL/Publications/2016/grid-detection-vol10no1.pdf https://www.cailaw.org/media/files/IEL/Publications/2016/gri...

toss1 5y ago
Excellent points - thx!. Comments... >>you need a lot of batteries to get through a couple of weeks of cloudy weather. or generator Yes a generator would definitely help, and even with cloudy weather you get a portion of power generated. Mostly for off-grid, you'd just have to size bigger for x% generation on cloudy days. >>in california it might be kinda illegal to disconnect from grid (violation of building codes and such: https://www.cailaw.org/media/files/IEL/Publications/2016/gri https://www.cailaw.org/media/files/IEL/Publications/2016/gri... That is a real kick in the guts: "requirement of interconnection in residential installations". Especially considering the quote at the beginning: "Some authors have found that a subset of customers in Hawaii may already be better off disconnecting from the grid and relying on solar-plus-battery systems; moreover, California is not far behind". Sounds like another gift to the utilities. I'd bet there will be lawsuits to introduce a reasonable exception soon. Especially if the $8/month/kw capacity withstands the comment period. This is utter bulls*t if California actually claims to have increasing solar capacity as a goal. Just disgusting.
rytcio 5y ago
Too bad California is also banning generators https://rvmiles.com/california-generator-ban/ https://rvmiles.com/california-generator-ban/
- toss1 5y ago
  Any info on whether it is just 2-cycle engines? (iirc, that's what I remember from earlier articles, but...) They should certainly ban 2-cycle engines to drive to batteries, but I think most stationary rigs for houses are 4-cycle, so you don't need oil mix.
- simplyaccont 5y ago
  this is small gasoline generators. usually when house has backup generator i believe it hooked up to gas
hedora 5y ago
It might be illegal to install a setup without connecting it to the utility’s electric meter, but what if the utility disconnects it due to (for example) the customer requesting account cancellation, or refusing to pay bills? Wouldn’t the result be a legal off-grid system that’s a small reconnection fee away from being attached to the grid (connection to utilities is generally required in order to get a mortgage, so having the right to reconnect is important).

toss1 5y ago

Excellent points - thx!. Comments... >>you need a lot of batteries to get through a couple of weeks of cloudy weather. or generator Yes a generator would definitely help, and even with cloudy weather you get a portion of power generated. Mostly for off-grid, you'd just have to size bigger for x% generation on cloudy days. >>in california it might be kinda illegal to disconnect from grid (violation of building codes and such: https://www.cailaw.org/media/files/IEL/Publications/2016/gri https://www.cailaw.org/media/files/IEL/Publications/2016/gri... That is a real kick in the guts: "requirement of interconnection in residential installations". Especially considering the quote at the beginning: "Some authors have found that a subset of customers in Hawaii may already be better off disconnecting from the grid and relying on solar-plus-battery systems; moreover, California is not far behind". Sounds like another gift to the utilities. I'd bet there will be lawsuits to introduce a reasonable exception soon. Especially if the $8/month/kw capacity withstands the comment period. This is utter bulls*t if California actually claims to have increasing solar capacity as a goal. Just disgusting.

rytcio 5y ago

Too bad California is also banning generators https://rvmiles.com/california-generator-ban/ https://rvmiles.com/california-generator-ban/

toss1 5y ago
Any info on whether it is just 2-cycle engines? (iirc, that's what I remember from earlier articles, but...) They should certainly ban 2-cycle engines to drive to batteries, but I think most stationary rigs for houses are 4-cycle, so you don't need oil mix.
simplyaccont 5y ago
this is small gasoline generators. usually when house has backup generator i believe it hooked up to gas

hedora 5y ago

It might be illegal to install a setup without connecting it to the utility’s electric meter, but what if the utility disconnects it due to (for example) the customer requesting account cancellation, or refusing to pay bills? Wouldn’t the result be a legal off-grid system that’s a small reconnection fee away from being attached to the grid (connection to utilities is generally required in order to get a mortgage, so having the right to reconnect is important).