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To be honest, it sounds like an extraordinarily interesting field to work in: "This is a one-of-a-kind opportunity for someone who lives and breathes spying an

To be honest, it sounds like an extraordinarily interesting field to work in: "This is a one-of-a-kind opportunity for someone who lives and breathes spying and espionage to become part of a world where wild fantasies of undercover operations become reality. If you think you have what it takes, we want to hear from you." Unfortunately their opportunity is out of reach, as I'm not in the UK nor Israel -- and they're not specifically seeking technical skills, per se.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago
Drug dealing involves all the same risks without the moral detritus.
- willcipriano 5y ago
  Sorta depends on the drug, the drugs that you can make real money selling tend to ruin peoples lives.
  - GhettoComputers 5y ago
    Volume of “good drugs” can offset this, but addiction with high margins is the best model for making money. Fentanyl analogs are LSD dose size, not expensive, highly physically addictive and very deadly done without proper dosing.
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  Not really, heroin has been laced with fentanyl analogs and even things it doesn’t synergize like in cocaine causing random deaths by knowingly selling (pre)cut chemicals isn’t morally neutral.
  - 55555 5y ago
    Devil’s advocate: great; If you’re high up in the heroin supply chain or simply secure your own source, you can save countless lives that would have been lost to fentanyl hotspots. Everyone says that legalization would be safer due to known purity, and you could label your bags with an ingredients panel showing their exact contents and purity levels. What I actually think: Unfortunately if the casino and alcohol industries make 90% of their money from addicts I’m afraid the hard narcotics industry is even worse still. Traffic good drugs only if you have strong pro-social morals and want to sleep easy.
    - GhettoComputers 5y ago
      That’s assuming it doesn’t get cut along the way, and it doesn’t already destroy lives or cause overdose on its own. It’s hard to see it as a moral matter, like all business it’s just sales. Knowing purity doesn’t prevent the OxyContin issues these are just dangerous drugs that are addictive to a lot of people and there is a non zero chance it’ll kill someone. Psychedelics can trigger schizophrenia and mushrooms are unpredictable, but the assumption is that it’ll give people insight. Alcohol is the most used date rape drug, so legalization and standardization isn’t even a solution except for its safety in the case of methanol. Technology is known to be highly addictive as well.
walrus01 5y ago
Are you quite certain you don't work in public relations for NSO or a similar firm? This is suspicious and weird.
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  “Hacking is cool” in longform isn’t eyebrow raising to me.
- colejohnson66 5y ago
  From the guidelines[0]: > Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. As @GhettoComputers said: GP is just saying “hacking is fun” [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - walrus01 5y ago
    on further examination and since the account is brand-new/created for the purpose of just that one comment, I may have fallen for a satirical example of such.
jsemrau 5y ago
Neuromancer becoming reality. Unfortunately, it was a dystopian future.
JoshTko 5y ago
Uh.. Do you know that NSO group is widely suspected in helping authoritarian governments to target journalists?
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  Widely suspected is nothing but speculation, and intelligence agencies aren’t exactly moral. Apple cooperates with China, but do people care when they buy their products? You’re going to have to give the names of the journalists targeted and the country instead of vague suspicions that you say are wide.
  - pjc50 5y ago
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/18/nso-spyware-used-to-target-family-of-jamal-khashoggi-leaked-data-shows-saudis-pegasus https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/18/nso-spyware-us...
- pc86 5y ago
  Does the fact that some people take moral issue with the actions of a single company mean that the work done in that entire field can't be interesting? There's a reason people watch spy movies and why lots of little kids pretend to be special agents and spies when they're playing in the back yard. It's interesting to a lot of people.
  - juanani 5y ago
    The reason is good propaganda that creates bootlickers that put spooks on pedestals. Please dont breathe my way
mccorrinall 5y ago
Reverse engineering and staying in IDA all day long is pretty boring

JumpCrisscross 5y ago

Drug dealing involves all the same risks without the moral detritus.

willcipriano 5y ago
Sorta depends on the drug, the drugs that you can make real money selling tend to ruin peoples lives.
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  Volume of “good drugs” can offset this, but addiction with high margins is the best model for making money. Fentanyl analogs are LSD dose size, not expensive, highly physically addictive and very deadly done without proper dosing.
GhettoComputers 5y ago
Not really, heroin has been laced with fentanyl analogs and even things it doesn’t synergize like in cocaine causing random deaths by knowingly selling (pre)cut chemicals isn’t morally neutral.
- 55555 5y ago
  Devil’s advocate: great; If you’re high up in the heroin supply chain or simply secure your own source, you can save countless lives that would have been lost to fentanyl hotspots. Everyone says that legalization would be safer due to known purity, and you could label your bags with an ingredients panel showing their exact contents and purity levels. What I actually think: Unfortunately if the casino and alcohol industries make 90% of their money from addicts I’m afraid the hard narcotics industry is even worse still. Traffic good drugs only if you have strong pro-social morals and want to sleep easy.
  - GhettoComputers 5y ago
    That’s assuming it doesn’t get cut along the way, and it doesn’t already destroy lives or cause overdose on its own. It’s hard to see it as a moral matter, like all business it’s just sales. Knowing purity doesn’t prevent the OxyContin issues these are just dangerous drugs that are addictive to a lot of people and there is a non zero chance it’ll kill someone. Psychedelics can trigger schizophrenia and mushrooms are unpredictable, but the assumption is that it’ll give people insight. Alcohol is the most used date rape drug, so legalization and standardization isn’t even a solution except for its safety in the case of methanol. Technology is known to be highly addictive as well.

walrus01 5y ago

Are you quite certain you don't work in public relations for NSO or a similar firm? This is suspicious and weird.

GhettoComputers 5y ago
“Hacking is cool” in longform isn’t eyebrow raising to me.
colejohnson66 5y ago
From the guidelines[0]: > Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. As @GhettoComputers said: GP is just saying “hacking is fun” [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- walrus01 5y ago
  on further examination and since the account is brand-new/created for the purpose of just that one comment, I may have fallen for a satirical example of such.

jsemrau 5y ago

Neuromancer becoming reality. Unfortunately, it was a dystopian future.

JoshTko 5y ago

Uh.. Do you know that NSO group is widely suspected in helping authoritarian governments to target journalists?

GhettoComputers 5y ago
Widely suspected is nothing but speculation, and intelligence agencies aren’t exactly moral. Apple cooperates with China, but do people care when they buy their products? You’re going to have to give the names of the journalists targeted and the country instead of vague suspicions that you say are wide.
- pjc50 5y ago
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/18/nso-spyware-used-to-target-family-of-jamal-khashoggi-leaked-data-shows-saudis-pegasus https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/18/nso-spyware-us...
pc86 5y ago
Does the fact that some people take moral issue with the actions of a single company mean that the work done in that entire field can't be interesting? There's a reason people watch spy movies and why lots of little kids pretend to be special agents and spies when they're playing in the back yard. It's interesting to a lot of people.
- juanani 5y ago
  The reason is good propaganda that creates bootlickers that put spooks on pedestals. Please dont breathe my way

mccorrinall 5y ago

Reverse engineering and staying in IDA all day long is pretty boring