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Seriously: > Europeans don't hate Russians as much as Americans do - I seriously doubt Americans really hates Russia, and at least not more than any eastern c

Seriously: > Europeans don't hate Russians as much as Americans do - I seriously doubt Americans really hates Russia, and at least not more than any eastern country who has been crushed by USSR for some decades. > probably because they've actually got Russians visiting and know that Russia doesn't really represent the threat that the American military-industrial complex needs you to believe is real in order to justify their trillion dollar misadventures and further subjugation of NATO member states into puppetry. Seriously, again. We want peace with Russia, but don't pretend it is the West who creates this situation. > In fact, a lot of Europeans would like to see peace made with Russia. Yep, but hopefully we remember what happened how much we got out of Britains deal with Hitler. A deal with Russia must always be backed by power. > A Europe united with Russia would be the one superpower even China could do little to contain .. The only advantage China really has on us is ruthlessness.

aa-jv 5y ago
>it is the West who creates this situation. It is the West that creates this situation: https://www.geoawesomeness.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Risk-of-unintended-war-with-Russia.jpg https://www.geoawesomeness.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Ri... >Britains deal with Hitler. A deal with Russia These are not equivalent by any stretch. Putin is not Hitler.
- skinkestek 5y ago
  > https://www.geoawesomeness.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Risk-of-unintended-war-with-Russia.jpg https://www.geoawesomeness.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Ri... What am I supposed to read out of this that supports your argument? > These are not equivalent by any stretch. Putin is not Hitler. Absolutely true. Sadly it seems that one similarity is that both of them - and others as well - didn't/doesn't respect treaties, agreements or what I think of as basic expectations of decency. For this reason I voice my clear support for Nato - as long as we don't overstep our boundaries like we did in Afghanistan. This includes sending troops to the borders og our friends in the alliance. As long as they don't cross the border this is fair game. Russias problem isn't only that they exercise on the Ukrainian border, but also that they have a history of: - sending advanced gear to troublemakers in east Ukraine who choose violence over democratic participation. - sending troops. - has a history of not only meddling like USA (I don't like this either) but also occupying.
  - aa-jv 5y ago
    >What am I supposed to read out of this that supports your argument? Which country is having its territorial sovereignty threatened by the encroachment of hostile states strategically positioning nuclear weapons within strike distance? Which country actually belongs in the region, and which are setting up remote bases from which to operate, far, far from home? If you don't think NATO aggression is a reality that Russia must deal with, there's not much point in further discussion. Only one side in this argument has a long history of committing war crimes and further crimes against humanity, for the last twenty years .. >doesn't respect treaties, agreements This is the biggest problem that Russia has with NATO and its puppet states: they don't respect treaties or agreements. Lets next discuss the Minsk Protocol and what Ukraine has done to render its participation utterly useless and not worthy of any respect, whatsoever ... >NATO .. don't overstep our boundaries That horse has left the barn, long ago. It is very clear to those of us that live in the region that NATO is willing to step all over the sovereignty of other nations in an attempt to encircle Russia. Your trust in NATO is clearly either a) uninformed, or b) utterly misguided. >Exercise on the Ukrainian border .. on the RUSSIAN side of the border. Nothing at all wrong with that, one bit. > sending advanced gear to troublemakers ahem It is the USA actively arming Ukrainian fascists, yo. > meddling like USA > also occupying Not at anywhere near the scale of the USA, sir. And if you think this is equivalent, then good day to you - we have nothing else to discuss. The USA is the #1 violator of human rights and committer of war crimes in the world today. Your attention would be better directed towards the calls for justice for America's war crimes victims and the imprisonment of its numerous war criminals. Only then can the West find the moral authority to do anything about Russia's perceived acts. Until then, these arguments are specious at best, or facetious in whole.

aa-jv 5y ago

>it is the West who creates this situation. It is the West that creates this situation: https://www.geoawesomeness.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Risk-of-unintended-war-with-Russia.jpg https://www.geoawesomeness.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Ri... >Britains deal with Hitler. A deal with Russia These are not equivalent by any stretch. Putin is not Hitler.

skinkestek 5y ago
> https://www.geoawesomeness.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Risk-of-unintended-war-with-Russia.jpg https://www.geoawesomeness.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Ri... What am I supposed to read out of this that supports your argument? > These are not equivalent by any stretch. Putin is not Hitler. Absolutely true. Sadly it seems that one similarity is that both of them - and others as well - didn't/doesn't respect treaties, agreements or what I think of as basic expectations of decency. For this reason I voice my clear support for Nato - as long as we don't overstep our boundaries like we did in Afghanistan. This includes sending troops to the borders og our friends in the alliance. As long as they don't cross the border this is fair game. Russias problem isn't only that they exercise on the Ukrainian border, but also that they have a history of: - sending advanced gear to troublemakers in east Ukraine who choose violence over democratic participation. - sending troops. - has a history of not only meddling like USA (I don't like this either) but also occupying.
- aa-jv 5y ago
  >What am I supposed to read out of this that supports your argument? Which country is having its territorial sovereignty threatened by the encroachment of hostile states strategically positioning nuclear weapons within strike distance? Which country actually belongs in the region, and which are setting up remote bases from which to operate, far, far from home? If you don't think NATO aggression is a reality that Russia must deal with, there's not much point in further discussion. Only one side in this argument has a long history of committing war crimes and further crimes against humanity, for the last twenty years .. >doesn't respect treaties, agreements This is the biggest problem that Russia has with NATO and its puppet states: they don't respect treaties or agreements. Lets next discuss the Minsk Protocol and what Ukraine has done to render its participation utterly useless and not worthy of any respect, whatsoever ... >NATO .. don't overstep our boundaries That horse has left the barn, long ago. It is very clear to those of us that live in the region that NATO is willing to step all over the sovereignty of other nations in an attempt to encircle Russia. Your trust in NATO is clearly either a) uninformed, or b) utterly misguided. >Exercise on the Ukrainian border .. on the RUSSIAN side of the border. Nothing at all wrong with that, one bit. > sending advanced gear to troublemakers ahem It is the USA actively arming Ukrainian fascists, yo. > meddling like USA > also occupying Not at anywhere near the scale of the USA, sir. And if you think this is equivalent, then good day to you - we have nothing else to discuss. The USA is the #1 violator of human rights and committer of war crimes in the world today. Your attention would be better directed towards the calls for justice for America's war crimes victims and the imprisonment of its numerous war criminals. Only then can the West find the moral authority to do anything about Russia's perceived acts. Until then, these arguments are specious at best, or facetious in whole.