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It's still Windows, we can tweak everything exactly how we want it. https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher http

It's still Windows, we can tweak everything exactly how we want it. https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher https://ramensoftware.com/7-taskbar-tweaker-on-windows-11-with-windows-10s-taskbar https://ramensoftware.com/7-taskbar-tweaker-on-windows-11-wi... I've been using 7taskbar for years, it's rock solid. ExplorerPatcher is a new requirement, works great and adds tons of features.

RealStickman_ 5y ago
Maybe it's just me, but tweaking Windows extensively always feels like you're fighting against the OS. I don't have these issues with my Linux installs.
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  You don’t uninstall snap if you use Ubuntu?
  - gunapologist99 5y ago
    Uninstalling software isn't the same as installing new, different software that didn't even come in your distribution's repositories. And, besides, a lot of people don't run Ubuntu, perhaps to get away from snap, perhaps to get away from systemd, or perhaps just because they can..
    - GhettoComputers 5y ago
      Most people do if they install a distro from my experience. It’s easy and it just works. You never install more software in Linux? I certainly do, it’s why I got it. You can use this to make Windows “distros”. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/system-builder-deployment-of-windows-10-for-desktop-editions?view=windows-11 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufactur... I’m not a Windows user but it’s not fundamentally different, Linux can come bloated, Windows can be stripped or another version like LTSC can be used.
    - bendhoefs 5y ago
      Do people still want to "get away from systemd". I thought most people had realized that systemd was a good thing by now :p. There's not a single popular Linux distro these days that isn't systemd by default. Even """hardcore""" distros.
      - smoldesu 5y ago
        There's still a number of modern distros that drop it by default like Denuvan and Void. I don't particularly hate systemd, but I really disagree with it's design philosophy and general layout these days. It's not that hard to sympathize with the people who grew frustrated with it's lack of modularity and tossed it in lieu of a better init system.
      - smhenderson 5y ago
        There's still Slackware and I consider it pretty hardcore.
      - GhettoComputers 5y ago
        I do just to try. Popular isn’t a good measure, window on desktop, Intel graphics and Facebook are popular. I like systemd but I wouldn’t mind trying other init.
      - zamadatix 5y ago
        Alpine is extremely popular for containers due to always picking lightweight choices like not using systemd. I don't think any of the Google distros (Android, Chrome OS) use it either but that shouldn't be particularly surprising. And of course hardcore classic Gentoo still lets you pick whether you want to or not. Void for a more traditional "user desktop" distro. I like systemd and those are the only cases I remember being surprised the usual commands didn't work.
  - RealStickman_ 5y ago
    I don' use Ubuntu, simple as that.
- majkinetor 5y ago
  No its not. Linux has various distros designed for specific professional domain (such as security, music, networking etc.). Windows doesn't have distros (unfortunately, it would be game changer if MS allowed for this) so you absolutely need to tweak it to your preference unless you use it only to for trivial stuff.
GhettoComputers 5y ago
Don’t forget classicshell!
cybernautique 5y ago
Honestly, if you're going to modify Windows, why not just go Linux? Monkeypatching Windows into a good (useable?) OS seems like more effort for less return than just picking up a distro. The only advantage I've heard people claim for Windows is that "it just works." If it can't even meet your workflow, why bother?
- majkinetor 5y ago
  I like Windows. Any hardware just works. Many linux distros are nice but none I tried could handle the diversity of devices as Windows. To get some things done you even need to recompile the kernel, something unheard of in Windows land. I customize the heck out of Windows with couple of PowerShell scripts. So to get my own "distribution" I need no more then hour or two wait and almost zero effort starting from default ISO install. I usually have: 1. Recursive windows updater (handles updates and restarts until no updates are available) 2. 50+ Chocolatey packages ( cinst git pwsh vscode docker-desktop dbeaver dngrep everything doublecmd copyq signal slack viber autohotkey premotem flameshot paint.net krita conemu googlechrome thunderbird foobar2000 ... ) 3. Run debloater that removes junk services and apps, everything from start menu and taskbar. This also kills Windows Defender. 4. I run ShutupW10 with almost all settings enabled. Its basically done from there. Many of those tools also download their own settings on first run, such as vscode getting my config and extensions. Such Windows environment is as productive as any Linux one for me. The only thing I really miss is decent window manager like i3 on Linux.
  - boogies 5y ago
    > To get some things done you even need to recompile the kernel What things?
  - cybernautique 5y ago
    If it's productive and you like it, then that's great! I stopped using Windows about 7 years ago; I've slowly radicalized myself to the point where I just genuinely hate Windows as a product and often wish toenail cancer upon its engineers. I'm realizing how detrimental this is to my emotional well-being, but I still genuinely can not imagine what would entice me back to the Microsoft stranglehold. The fact that you even need to run a debloater (that removes most of the user-facing crud), add a package manager, and empathically tell your OS to shut up... I just don't see the point. It's adversarial. Why do I want an enemy for an OS? and even if the OS was friendly, Microsoft certainly isn't, and so: why do I want an enemy's snitch for an OS?

RealStickman_ 5y ago

Maybe it's just me, but tweaking Windows extensively always feels like you're fighting against the OS. I don't have these issues with my Linux installs.

GhettoComputers 5y ago
You don’t uninstall snap if you use Ubuntu?
- gunapologist99 5y ago
  Uninstalling software isn't the same as installing new, different software that didn't even come in your distribution's repositories. And, besides, a lot of people don't run Ubuntu, perhaps to get away from snap, perhaps to get away from systemd, or perhaps just because they can..
  - GhettoComputers 5y ago
    Most people do if they install a distro from my experience. It’s easy and it just works. You never install more software in Linux? I certainly do, it’s why I got it. You can use this to make Windows “distros”. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/system-builder-deployment-of-windows-10-for-desktop-editions?view=windows-11 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufactur... I’m not a Windows user but it’s not fundamentally different, Linux can come bloated, Windows can be stripped or another version like LTSC can be used.
  - bendhoefs 5y ago
    Do people still want to "get away from systemd". I thought most people had realized that systemd was a good thing by now :p. There's not a single popular Linux distro these days that isn't systemd by default. Even """hardcore""" distros.
    - smoldesu 5y ago
      There's still a number of modern distros that drop it by default like Denuvan and Void. I don't particularly hate systemd, but I really disagree with it's design philosophy and general layout these days. It's not that hard to sympathize with the people who grew frustrated with it's lack of modularity and tossed it in lieu of a better init system.
    - smhenderson 5y ago
      There's still Slackware and I consider it pretty hardcore.
    - GhettoComputers 5y ago
      I do just to try. Popular isn’t a good measure, window on desktop, Intel graphics and Facebook are popular. I like systemd but I wouldn’t mind trying other init.
    - zamadatix 5y ago
      Alpine is extremely popular for containers due to always picking lightweight choices like not using systemd. I don't think any of the Google distros (Android, Chrome OS) use it either but that shouldn't be particularly surprising. And of course hardcore classic Gentoo still lets you pick whether you want to or not. Void for a more traditional "user desktop" distro. I like systemd and those are the only cases I remember being surprised the usual commands didn't work.
- RealStickman_ 5y ago
  I don' use Ubuntu, simple as that.
majkinetor 5y ago
No its not. Linux has various distros designed for specific professional domain (such as security, music, networking etc.). Windows doesn't have distros (unfortunately, it would be game changer if MS allowed for this) so you absolutely need to tweak it to your preference unless you use it only to for trivial stuff.

GhettoComputers 5y ago

Don’t forget classicshell!

cybernautique 5y ago

Honestly, if you're going to modify Windows, why not just go Linux? Monkeypatching Windows into a good (useable?) OS seems like more effort for less return than just picking up a distro. The only advantage I've heard people claim for Windows is that "it just works." If it can't even meet your workflow, why bother?

majkinetor 5y ago
I like Windows. Any hardware just works. Many linux distros are nice but none I tried could handle the diversity of devices as Windows. To get some things done you even need to recompile the kernel, something unheard of in Windows land. I customize the heck out of Windows with couple of PowerShell scripts. So to get my own "distribution" I need no more then hour or two wait and almost zero effort starting from default ISO install. I usually have: 1. Recursive windows updater (handles updates and restarts until no updates are available) 2. 50+ Chocolatey packages ( cinst git pwsh vscode docker-desktop dbeaver dngrep everything doublecmd copyq signal slack viber autohotkey premotem flameshot paint.net krita conemu googlechrome thunderbird foobar2000 ... ) 3. Run debloater that removes junk services and apps, everything from start menu and taskbar. This also kills Windows Defender. 4. I run ShutupW10 with almost all settings enabled. Its basically done from there. Many of those tools also download their own settings on first run, such as vscode getting my config and extensions. Such Windows environment is as productive as any Linux one for me. The only thing I really miss is decent window manager like i3 on Linux.
- boogies 5y ago
  > To get some things done you even need to recompile the kernel What things?
- cybernautique 5y ago
  If it's productive and you like it, then that's great! I stopped using Windows about 7 years ago; I've slowly radicalized myself to the point where I just genuinely hate Windows as a product and often wish toenail cancer upon its engineers. I'm realizing how detrimental this is to my emotional well-being, but I still genuinely can not imagine what would entice me back to the Microsoft stranglehold. The fact that you even need to run a debloater (that removes most of the user-facing crud), add a package manager, and empathically tell your OS to shut up... I just don't see the point. It's adversarial. Why do I want an enemy for an OS? and even if the OS was friendly, Microsoft certainly isn't, and so: why do I want an enemy's snitch for an OS?