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I understand the difference between historically marginalized groups and non-marginalized groups. Put simply a slur for white people, like "cracker" lands very

I understand the difference between historically marginalized groups and non-marginalized groups. Put simply a slur for white people, like "cracker" lands very different than a slur for black people. And yet, it seems insanely obvious to me that allowing race or sex based insults against one particular group will obviously have a negative effect.

29582420 5y ago
>And yet, it seems insanely obvious to me that allowing race or sex based insults against one particular group will obviously have a negative effect. I'm a white American male and, well, I just don't see it. People go on and on about "men are trash" and "kill all Americans" and "White people suck" etc and then when I walk out my door -- in a city with about 1m people -- I see... white people all around me, who treat me fine or ignore me. I can walk into any establishment and be treated with respect. I can talk to anyone on the street and not be thought to be trying to rob them. I can (and have!) travel to small towns where they talk different and nobody has ever treated me poorly. I've traveled to countries in Asia and Europe, even gone off the beaten path and into places where tourists don't normally go, and never had any problem for being a White, American man. In fact, I've been treated quite well. So if all this "hate speech against White, American males" on Facebook will "obviously" have a negative effect, why have I not experienced it? Or read about it? Or seen it on the news? Is it because the FBI -- which tracks Anti-White hate crimes -- reported that the rate was around 15%[0] when the white population is 76%?[1]. [0]https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2019/topic-pages/incidents-and-offenses https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2019/topic-pages/incidents-an... [1]https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table?q=&t=Populations%20and%20People&tid=ACSDP1Y2019.DP05 https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table?q=&t=Populations%20and%...
- ALittleLight 5y ago
  I suspect you have seen it and just don't recognize it. If group X can insult group Y and Y is forbidden from insulting X, is that going to make Y get along with X? Or, will it mean that X insults Y a lot disposing Y negatively towards X? I don't think the problem is going to be Asian people calling white people "cracker" while they tour Asia. I think the problem is going to come from young white men getting irritated by demonstrably unfair treatment. They will live online with hypocritical rules where people are allowed to insult them for their race and gender and they are punished for returning the favor. This, in turn, will encourage at least some of them towards racism. Ultimately, it's just not a reasonable thing for Facebook to do. What benefit is there in preserving racism and sexism against men? I think it makes sense to ban racist and sexist things, but why make a special carve out to permit it against specific groups?
- tmn 5y ago
  This is a weird defensive reaction. There are a whole host of things that have a negative result that don’t lead to you experiencing violence. Is it not obvious that people will become disgruntled at double standards out of principle?
  - 29582420 5y ago
    If people being disgruntled is the negative result the parent comment is referring to then I’m ok with it. People are mad about all kinds of things all the time. Doesn’t really concern me.
    - ALittleLight 5y ago
      It's very kind of you not to care about hurting other people. Why would you care about offending some people but not others? Or, are you opposed to censoring any form of racism?
      - 29582420 5y ago
        Who is being hurt? Some people say mean things, other people get mad. Doesn’t really hold a candle to what black folks have to contend with.
- Mountain_Skies 5y ago
  Are you a young boy growing up with all of this toxicity spewed upon you while you're blamed for the problems of the world? Seems like you have one very narrow viewpoint and think it applies to all "white American males".
- jevoten 5y ago
  > I am a sample size of one and have not yet been the victim of a hate crime. But "hate crime" is very flexible. Lets look at something more objective - acts of violence: In 2012, blacks committed 560,600 acts of violence against whites, and whites committed 99,403 acts of violence against blacks, according to data from the National Crime Victimization Survey [..] Blacks, in other words, committed 85% of the interracial crimes between blacks and whites, even though they are 13 percent of the population. - https://www.city-journal.org/html/window-depraved-culture-14929.html https://www.city-journal.org/html/window-depraved-culture-14... The National Crime Victimization Survey is just that - a survey, and does not involve the police, so the results can't be blamed on police bias. But as you astutely observed, you didn't see it on the news.

29582420 5y ago

>And yet, it seems insanely obvious to me that allowing race or sex based insults against one particular group will obviously have a negative effect. I'm a white American male and, well, I just don't see it. People go on and on about "men are trash" and "kill all Americans" and "White people suck" etc and then when I walk out my door -- in a city with about 1m people -- I see... white people all around me, who treat me fine or ignore me. I can walk into any establishment and be treated with respect. I can talk to anyone on the street and not be thought to be trying to rob them. I can (and have!) travel to small towns where they talk different and nobody has ever treated me poorly. I've traveled to countries in Asia and Europe, even gone off the beaten path and into places where tourists don't normally go, and never had any problem for being a White, American man. In fact, I've been treated quite well. So if all this "hate speech against White, American males" on Facebook will "obviously" have a negative effect, why have I not experienced it? Or read about it? Or seen it on the news? Is it because the FBI -- which tracks Anti-White hate crimes -- reported that the rate was around 15%[0] when the white population is 76%?[1]. [0]https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2019/topic-pages/incidents-and-offenses https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2019/topic-pages/incidents-an... [1]https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table?q=&t=Populations%20and%20People&tid=ACSDP1Y2019.DP05 https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table?q=&t=Populations%20and%...

ALittleLight 5y ago
I suspect you have seen it and just don't recognize it. If group X can insult group Y and Y is forbidden from insulting X, is that going to make Y get along with X? Or, will it mean that X insults Y a lot disposing Y negatively towards X? I don't think the problem is going to be Asian people calling white people "cracker" while they tour Asia. I think the problem is going to come from young white men getting irritated by demonstrably unfair treatment. They will live online with hypocritical rules where people are allowed to insult them for their race and gender and they are punished for returning the favor. This, in turn, will encourage at least some of them towards racism. Ultimately, it's just not a reasonable thing for Facebook to do. What benefit is there in preserving racism and sexism against men? I think it makes sense to ban racist and sexist things, but why make a special carve out to permit it against specific groups?
tmn 5y ago
This is a weird defensive reaction. There are a whole host of things that have a negative result that don’t lead to you experiencing violence. Is it not obvious that people will become disgruntled at double standards out of principle?
- 29582420 5y ago
  If people being disgruntled is the negative result the parent comment is referring to then I’m ok with it. People are mad about all kinds of things all the time. Doesn’t really concern me.
  - ALittleLight 5y ago
    It's very kind of you not to care about hurting other people. Why would you care about offending some people but not others? Or, are you opposed to censoring any form of racism?
    - 29582420 5y ago
      Who is being hurt? Some people say mean things, other people get mad. Doesn’t really hold a candle to what black folks have to contend with.
Mountain_Skies 5y ago
Are you a young boy growing up with all of this toxicity spewed upon you while you're blamed for the problems of the world? Seems like you have one very narrow viewpoint and think it applies to all "white American males".
jevoten 5y ago
> I am a sample size of one and have not yet been the victim of a hate crime. But "hate crime" is very flexible. Lets look at something more objective - acts of violence: In 2012, blacks committed 560,600 acts of violence against whites, and whites committed 99,403 acts of violence against blacks, according to data from the National Crime Victimization Survey [..] Blacks, in other words, committed 85% of the interracial crimes between blacks and whites, even though they are 13 percent of the population. - https://www.city-journal.org/html/window-depraved-culture-14929.html https://www.city-journal.org/html/window-depraved-culture-14... The National Crime Victimization Survey is just that - a survey, and does not involve the police, so the results can't be blamed on police bias. But as you astutely observed, you didn't see it on the news.