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I don't think that's the case. There will of course be counter-examples, but the ratio is so massively different that it might as well be one-sided. If a spec

I don't think that's the case. There will of course be counter-examples, but the ratio is so massively different that it might as well be one-sided. If a specific power dynamic is split 90/10 between the genders then that's a pretty strong underlying cause regardless of the fact that the other 10% enjoys the same thing.

vorpalhex 5y ago
We can argue about the ratio but that doesn't actually matter. Whether it's 50/50, 90/10 or 99/1. We only care that the alternate case does occur genuinely (and we should exclude cases where it happens as satire or a political statement). One of the reasons why I like the host club example is because it's a business in demand, it has a big focus on privacy and it has an audience that choses to be there. The female patrons of the host club aren't there to put on a performance or make a political statement. Put another way. Let's take nursing, which tends to be female dominated. Do you think the female/male power balance still occurs? Does it occur in the same way? Is it flipped? A lot of male nurses report sexual harassment problems. That suggests to me that the underlying cause is not an innate male/female power structure. There is some other root cause at play.
- mdorazio 5y ago
  I think you misunderstand the dynamics of, for example, host clubs. Women don't generally go to hosts seeking primarily sex - they tend to go seeking fantasy love & engagement-based interactions. Articles like [1] shine a bit of light on it. I'm genuinely having trouble following your logic on this issue - it seems fairly obvious that heterosexual males are highly desirous of sex with attractive women, which creates a power dynamic based on that desire. [1] http://feministing.com/2009/08/09/japan-male-hosts-and-female-customers-who-love-them/ http://feministing.com/2009/08/09/japan-male-hosts-and-femal...
  - vorpalhex 5y ago
    Female escorts often engage in fantasy and what is basically affirmation therapy for their clients. That doesn't mean men aren't seeking sex anymore than the alternative holds for women. Women do tend to engage in sex with hosts [1]. > it seems fairly obvious that heterosexual males are highly desirous of sex with attractive women, which creates a power dynamic based on that desire. You're affirming the consequent. If men desiring women creates a power dynamic, and if that power dynamic is why men desire women.. we have a logical issue. The power dynamic cannot be it's own origin. If we can show that the power dynamic exists in situations where women desire men - and I think this is both obvious and we have - then it clearly has some earlier origin. It is not the root cause. [1] - https://www.scoopwhoop.com/Inside-Japans-Host-Clubs-Where-Women-Go-To-Have-Their-Desires-Satisfied-Be-Pampered/ https://www.scoopwhoop.com/Inside-Japans-Host-Clubs-Where-Wo...

vorpalhex 5y ago

We can argue about the ratio but that doesn't actually matter. Whether it's 50/50, 90/10 or 99/1. We only care that the alternate case does occur genuinely (and we should exclude cases where it happens as satire or a political statement). One of the reasons why I like the host club example is because it's a business in demand, it has a big focus on privacy and it has an audience that choses to be there. The female patrons of the host club aren't there to put on a performance or make a political statement. Put another way. Let's take nursing, which tends to be female dominated. Do you think the female/male power balance still occurs? Does it occur in the same way? Is it flipped? A lot of male nurses report sexual harassment problems. That suggests to me that the underlying cause is not an innate male/female power structure. There is some other root cause at play.

mdorazio 5y ago
I think you misunderstand the dynamics of, for example, host clubs. Women don't generally go to hosts seeking primarily sex - they tend to go seeking fantasy love & engagement-based interactions. Articles like [1] shine a bit of light on it. I'm genuinely having trouble following your logic on this issue - it seems fairly obvious that heterosexual males are highly desirous of sex with attractive women, which creates a power dynamic based on that desire. [1] http://feministing.com/2009/08/09/japan-male-hosts-and-female-customers-who-love-them/ http://feministing.com/2009/08/09/japan-male-hosts-and-femal...
- vorpalhex 5y ago
  Female escorts often engage in fantasy and what is basically affirmation therapy for their clients. That doesn't mean men aren't seeking sex anymore than the alternative holds for women. Women do tend to engage in sex with hosts [1]. > it seems fairly obvious that heterosexual males are highly desirous of sex with attractive women, which creates a power dynamic based on that desire. You're affirming the consequent. If men desiring women creates a power dynamic, and if that power dynamic is why men desire women.. we have a logical issue. The power dynamic cannot be it's own origin. If we can show that the power dynamic exists in situations where women desire men - and I think this is both obvious and we have - then it clearly has some earlier origin. It is not the root cause. [1] - https://www.scoopwhoop.com/Inside-Japans-Host-Clubs-Where-Women-Go-To-Have-Their-Desires-Satisfied-Be-Pampered/ https://www.scoopwhoop.com/Inside-Japans-Host-Clubs-Where-Wo...