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It's going to be impossible to calculate COVID deaths, but even in my own family death has occurred during COVID infection that wasn't officially counted as COV

by a5aAqU 5y ago

It's going to be impossible to calculate COVID deaths, but even in my own family death has occurred during COVID infection that wasn't officially counted as COVID death. The conversation isn't about government mandates -- it's about whether people should wear a mask and practice basic virus safety even after they are vaccinated. In any case, you already follow government enforced mandates that help protect us all: wearing seatbelts, not wearing earphones in the car, getting vaccinations to go to school[1] or enter countries, and much more. Wearing masks doesn't lead to more indirect deaths. Not wearing masks prolongs the pandemic and leads to more direct and indirect deaths as well as prolonging the economic devastation that many are dealing with. In times of severe catastrophe, we all have to work together to keep everyone safe. People who don't wear masks increase the risk of death for vulnerable people and prolong the pandemic. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/08/states-have-mandated-vaccinations-since-long-before-covid-19/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/08/states-have...

syshum 5y ago
>>Wearing masks doesn't lead to more indirect deaths. Wrong, I know many people right now that are putting off seeing the doctor because of masking policies at many medical facilities. >The conversation isn't about government mandates Sure it is, as you prove in your next statement >>e, you already follow government enforced mandates that help protect us all: wearing seatbelts, not wearing earphones in the car, getting vaccinations to go to school[1] or enter countries, and much more. and I oppose all of those as well, just because we already have draconian authoritarianism does not justify more authoritarianism
- a5aAqU 5y ago
  > I know many people right now that are putting off seeing the doctor because of masking policies at many medical facilities. Because they have to wear a mask at the medical facilities? If that's what you're saying, those people are extremely foolish and are choosing their own Darwin awards. > I oppose all of those as well I don't think there is anywhere else for this conversation to go, so let's end it. :)
  - syshum 5y ago
    it is sad we have fallen as a society so far that there is not even any remove left to discuss liberty, that the nanny state has such a hold on people that there is a honest believe that "wearing a seat belt" mandates protects others, and not insurance company profits. Your wearing of a seat-belt or not has no bearing at all on the safety of others. As to the others I can make very strong cases as to why there real motivations, and actual execution are more harmful to the over all population their stated goals are. The government passes a law called "Help the puppies" but in the actual execution they are killing puppies but no on questions the results of government action just their intent and as they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions
    - a5aAqU 5y ago
      It sounds like a simplistic, self-centered view of liberty. It's impossible to live in a population-dense society and not have your actions affect other people. If you think that seat belt laws, mask mandates during a pandemic, or school vaccine requirements are "draconian authoritarianism" you don't have a reasonable perspective on society or history. Traffic injuries and deaths affect the whole system: EMTs/police who experience needless trauma, families (loss of income, parents, spouses, etc.), friends, health insurance, an increase in disabled people who draw from the system instead of paying into it, and much more. Seat-belt laws reduce the burden of car accidents on all of us.

by a5aAqU 5y ago

syshum 5y ago

>>Wearing masks doesn't lead to more indirect deaths. Wrong, I know many people right now that are putting off seeing the doctor because of masking policies at many medical facilities. >The conversation isn't about government mandates Sure it is, as you prove in your next statement >>e, you already follow government enforced mandates that help protect us all: wearing seatbelts, not wearing earphones in the car, getting vaccinations to go to school[1] or enter countries, and much more. and I oppose all of those as well, just because we already have draconian authoritarianism does not justify more authoritarianism

a5aAqU 5y ago
> I know many people right now that are putting off seeing the doctor because of masking policies at many medical facilities. Because they have to wear a mask at the medical facilities? If that's what you're saying, those people are extremely foolish and are choosing their own Darwin awards. > I oppose all of those as well I don't think there is anywhere else for this conversation to go, so let's end it. :)
- syshum 5y ago
  it is sad we have fallen as a society so far that there is not even any remove left to discuss liberty, that the nanny state has such a hold on people that there is a honest believe that "wearing a seat belt" mandates protects others, and not insurance company profits. Your wearing of a seat-belt or not has no bearing at all on the safety of others. As to the others I can make very strong cases as to why there real motivations, and actual execution are more harmful to the over all population their stated goals are. The government passes a law called "Help the puppies" but in the actual execution they are killing puppies but no on questions the results of government action just their intent and as they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions
  - a5aAqU 5y ago
    It sounds like a simplistic, self-centered view of liberty. It's impossible to live in a population-dense society and not have your actions affect other people. If you think that seat belt laws, mask mandates during a pandemic, or school vaccine requirements are "draconian authoritarianism" you don't have a reasonable perspective on society or history. Traffic injuries and deaths affect the whole system: EMTs/police who experience needless trauma, families (loss of income, parents, spouses, etc.), friends, health insurance, an increase in disabled people who draw from the system instead of paying into it, and much more. Seat-belt laws reduce the burden of car accidents on all of us.