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Interestingly enough there are cultures where the problem was solved using method #1, and they tend to be matriarchal type cultures where women are not monopoli
by fallingfrog 5y ago
Interestingly enough there are cultures where the problem was solved using method #1, and they tend to be matriarchal type cultures where women are not monopolized by a single person sexually but are free to do whatever they please. (From what I've read, grain of salt). So on some level the power imbalance itself might be said to come from patriarchy.
- PaulHoule 5y agoThe status quo is often justified though by an egalitarian argument: that is, if you let things happen "naturally" you would see all of the women end up with 30% of the men and the rest would be left with nothing.
- goodpoint 5y ago> all of the women end up with 30% of the men Anthropologists studied many cultures that have no concept of monogamy and sexual shame: it's quite the opposite.
- SuoDuanDao 5y agoDo you know whether any of those cultures had the potential for wealth differentials among men the way we do today? The only cultures of that nature I heard of were either communal or men literally couldn't own more property than they could carry themselves.
- throwawaygal7 5y agoMany of the popular examples are hotly contested and based on acendata
- bongoman37 5y agoName a few?
- beebeepka 5y agoI've read about this before but I not buying it. I think someone is pushing an agenda with this "explanation" because it is a defeatist stance. The strongest stallions getting all the women while everyone else is stuck with their VR girlfriends. Totally not a thing on a global scale because we are getting more and more. No, don't cite me aging population stats. They may be real but the math doesn't work out with your 30%
- SuoDuanDao 5y ago>we are getting more and more. Sounds like someone in the 30% doesn't know how the rest of us live...
- gime_tree_fiddy 5y agoThe Tinder distribution comes to mind about top 80% competing for 10-20% of males.
- PrimalDual 5y agoMy understanding is that this is largely the reality already in the dating marketplaces we can measure (dating apps). At least every study with dating app data I have seen shows a small minority of men get the vast majority of female attention.
- matheusmoreira 5y agoAnd yet incels exist and they seem to be increasing not only in number but also in visibility.
- whatshisface 5y agoAbstract dating theory in a very real way creates "incels," where before there were only men going through a rough patch.
- matheusmoreira 5y agoAre you sure about that? Involuntary celibacy actually predates all of these ideologies. The phenomenon was identified in the late 90s, by a female researcher no less. It seems to me these ideologies are just an attempt to make sense of the suffering.
- gime_tree_fiddy 5y agoCan you name some of these cultures/sources. I have found references in pop culture references, and would like to read up on it.