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I've been using Win11 now for about a week (so take this with a grain of salt) and one positive I've noticed has been a far better UX. OSX has made a ton of lea

by jjcm 5y ago

I've been using Win11 now for about a week (so take this with a grain of salt) and one positive I've noticed has been a far better UX. OSX has made a ton of leaps and bounds for optimizing controls for how you use your computer, and it felt like windows 10 was lagging behind quite a bit in the last year. Windows 11 addressed a lot of these grievances. Browser overrides like this are definitely in the negative UX column, but better bluetooth controls, a new consolidated settings panel, and smoother window management are all positives for me. FWIW I haven't hit a situation where I've been forced into edge (yet).

Guillaume86 5y ago
The new taskbar UX is a huge downgrade compared to my "always ungrouped" taskbar in Windows 10, hope the add it back before I'm forced to upgrade.
- soco 5y ago
  StartIsBack gives you back the left-side placement, drag&drop and grouping.
  - tyingq 5y ago
    You can do the left-side placement with just Windows 11. There's a "taskbar alignment" setting that can be "left" or "center".
    - soco 5y ago
      It's not "a setting" but an obscure registry entry. And have you actually tried it? I did and it's a joke - you get the taskbar there but no icons on it lol. And how about drag and drop? Or grouping?
      - tyingq 5y ago
        For me, it's a setting, and yes, I tried it and it works: https://imgur.com/a/QSxE92W https://imgur.com/a/QSxE92W I didn't mention the other two things because they aren't available settings. I mentioned the one that is, because I thought it might be helpful. Aside: Why do people jump to snark so fast?
        soco 5y ago
        I can't comment about other people but to me the reply felt like denying my personal experience of those three frustrations (because yes I am frustrated with W11) of which two seemed ignored and one presented with a solution which I already tried to no avail. If you had acknowledged the other two in the initial answer (like in a "at least for position..."), I'm very sure I wouldn't have reacted. Small things can make or break... Now the aside being put aside, I have no idea why you have a setting and I don't, as I'm on the latest updates. Could be that Microsoft is doing some A/B testing? And is the left positioned taskbar working fine for you? I still won't switch until at least drag&drop comes back but it would be a glimmer of hope.
        afarviral 5y ago
        Theres left alignment and then theres left position (left side of display rather simply left aligned but still on the bottom). On my Win 11 machine you can only position the bar on the bottom, and no setting is offered to change it other than icon alignment.
        tyingq 5y ago
        Ah, yes. If you want it running vertically on the left or right, or horizontally across the top, there is no setting for that. There are some registry settings documented by third parties, but I haven't tried them.
      - sorry_outta_gas 5y ago
        it's just a setting for me, all of 3 clicks
AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
Would you mind outlining specifics? All I see are the current tends of tabletization continuing.
- zamadatix 5y ago
  UX Things I've liked about this upgrade cycle on my desktop setup: - More snap zones and ways to trigger snap - Snap zones can be pulled up or switched to as a group - More things moved in the Settings app - Settings app is now uses a more traditional left pane navigation instead of a list of large boxes for touch - Window layouts better remember and adapt to monitor changes (such as unplugging from an TV) - AutoHDR - Separate wallpapers to different virtual desktops (makes remembering where you are easier) - Defaults to the new Windows Terminal Some of the other changes (mica, new start menu, new context menu, rounded window look, new themes, taskbar tray area changes, variable Segoe UI, new Store, widgets) I'd call a wash. They are there and changed but overall I can't say any have been particularly noticeable or helpful like the above items.
  - judge2020 5y ago
    The new context menu should improve things over time since it forces IExplorerCommand usage, which only allows in-process command logic so there should be no more UI hangs when someone has 20+ context menu entries (even if the command options end up lazy-loading in). https://blogs.windows.com/windowsdeveloper/2021/07/19/extending-the-context-menu-and-share-dialog-in-windows-11/ https://blogs.windows.com/windowsdeveloper/2021/07/19/extend... https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/shell/shortcut-choose-method https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/shell/shortcu... https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/127365#issuecomment-939472046 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/127365#issuecomme...
  - tentacleuno 5y ago
    > Settings app is now uses a more traditional left pane navigation instead of a list of large boxes for touch Serious question: why didn't they just do this in the first place? It can't be hard to check if the user has a touch input and dynamically resize buttons / list items, then size them back down when the user is done. They do exactly this for "Tablet mode"[0] in Windows 10. This, and the pitch black dark mode that honestly looks dreadful on non-OLED, makes me think they don't really take customisation into much consideration. [0]: https://www.howtogeek.com/221973/what-is-tablet-mode-in-windows-10-and-how-to-turn-it-on-and-off/ https://www.howtogeek.com/221973/what-is-tablet-mode-in-wind...

by jjcm 5y ago

Guillaume86 5y ago

The new taskbar UX is a huge downgrade compared to my "always ungrouped" taskbar in Windows 10, hope the add it back before I'm forced to upgrade.

soco 5y ago
StartIsBack gives you back the left-side placement, drag&drop and grouping.
- tyingq 5y ago
  You can do the left-side placement with just Windows 11. There's a "taskbar alignment" setting that can be "left" or "center".
  - soco 5y ago
    It's not "a setting" but an obscure registry entry. And have you actually tried it? I did and it's a joke - you get the taskbar there but no icons on it lol. And how about drag and drop? Or grouping?
    - tyingq 5y ago
      For me, it's a setting, and yes, I tried it and it works: https://imgur.com/a/QSxE92W https://imgur.com/a/QSxE92W I didn't mention the other two things because they aren't available settings. I mentioned the one that is, because I thought it might be helpful. Aside: Why do people jump to snark so fast?
      - soco 5y ago
        I can't comment about other people but to me the reply felt like denying my personal experience of those three frustrations (because yes I am frustrated with W11) of which two seemed ignored and one presented with a solution which I already tried to no avail. If you had acknowledged the other two in the initial answer (like in a "at least for position..."), I'm very sure I wouldn't have reacted. Small things can make or break... Now the aside being put aside, I have no idea why you have a setting and I don't, as I'm on the latest updates. Could be that Microsoft is doing some A/B testing? And is the left positioned taskbar working fine for you? I still won't switch until at least drag&drop comes back but it would be a glimmer of hope.
      - afarviral 5y ago
        Theres left alignment and then theres left position (left side of display rather simply left aligned but still on the bottom). On my Win 11 machine you can only position the bar on the bottom, and no setting is offered to change it other than icon alignment.
        tyingq 5y ago
        Ah, yes. If you want it running vertically on the left or right, or horizontally across the top, there is no setting for that. There are some registry settings documented by third parties, but I haven't tried them.
    - sorry_outta_gas 5y ago
      it's just a setting for me, all of 3 clicks

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago

Would you mind outlining specifics? All I see are the current tends of tabletization continuing.

zamadatix 5y ago
UX Things I've liked about this upgrade cycle on my desktop setup: - More snap zones and ways to trigger snap - Snap zones can be pulled up or switched to as a group - More things moved in the Settings app - Settings app is now uses a more traditional left pane navigation instead of a list of large boxes for touch - Window layouts better remember and adapt to monitor changes (such as unplugging from an TV) - AutoHDR - Separate wallpapers to different virtual desktops (makes remembering where you are easier) - Defaults to the new Windows Terminal Some of the other changes (mica, new start menu, new context menu, rounded window look, new themes, taskbar tray area changes, variable Segoe UI, new Store, widgets) I'd call a wash. They are there and changed but overall I can't say any have been particularly noticeable or helpful like the above items.
- judge2020 5y ago
  The new context menu should improve things over time since it forces IExplorerCommand usage, which only allows in-process command logic so there should be no more UI hangs when someone has 20+ context menu entries (even if the command options end up lazy-loading in). https://blogs.windows.com/windowsdeveloper/2021/07/19/extending-the-context-menu-and-share-dialog-in-windows-11/ https://blogs.windows.com/windowsdeveloper/2021/07/19/extend... https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/shell/shortcut-choose-method https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/shell/shortcu... https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/127365#issuecomment-939472046 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/127365#issuecomme...
- tentacleuno 5y ago
  > Settings app is now uses a more traditional left pane navigation instead of a list of large boxes for touch Serious question: why didn't they just do this in the first place? It can't be hard to check if the user has a touch input and dynamically resize buttons / list items, then size them back down when the user is done. They do exactly this for "Tablet mode"[0] in Windows 10. This, and the pitch black dark mode that honestly looks dreadful on non-OLED, makes me think they don't really take customisation into much consideration. [0]: https://www.howtogeek.com/221973/what-is-tablet-mode-in-windows-10-and-how-to-turn-it-on-and-off/ https://www.howtogeek.com/221973/what-is-tablet-mode-in-wind...