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So much trust in mortals.....nah, I'll pass

nynx 5y ago
I'm not sure what else you could trust in. Even if a christian god exists, the bible was written by humans, copied over and over by humans, and translated by humans.
- ElectronShak 5y ago
  "We account the Scriptures of God to be the most sublime philosophy. I find more sure marks of authenticity in the Bible than in any profane history whatever." -Isaac Newton "Almighty God, Who hast created man in Thine own image, and made him a living soul that he might seek after Thee, and have dominion over Thy creatures, teach us to study the works of Thy hands, that we may subdue the earth to our use, and strengthen the reason for Thy service" -James Clerk Maxwell Two, really great minds, on whose work we depend on daily
  - nynx 5y ago
    This isn’t really convincing. Newton and Maxwell were incredibly important, but they also lived quite a while ago. Religion has a different role in society these days.
    - ElectronShak 5y ago
      I agree, although I don't look at Christianity as religion, from my understanding of the new testament..Christ was crucified basically because he didn't follow "the law of their fathers"..religion essentially. The aim is not to convince though, but to raise the question, why does our generation think that anything scriptural cannot be treated as fact. Why are newtons laws fact, but not his convictions? Are we so taken up by being "scientific" in our own eyes, that we forget the very premise on which science is based, God?
      - nynx 5y ago
        There is an obvious answer to that: Newton's laws match our observations of reality, ignoring relativistic effects. Scripture is written by someone to reflect their opinions. They often have truths in them, but they're just a story. They don't reflect reality any more than Harry Potter does. To answer your second question: science is not based on a god or gods. Scientific thinking often branched out of religion, but they're separate now and have been for hundreds, if not thousands, of years. And science branched off from many different religions, just not the Christian one you seem to believe in.
        ElectronShak 5y ago
        aa..cool. But then, very few people actually get to "prove" or consciously "observe" newtons laws, but a principle is a principle whether you believe it or not. In fact, at lower levels of education, you simply read and believe these, as fact, from those that have written about them, and proved them. Can't we say the same about Christianity? PS: Note that I avoid the word religion, as it dilutes Christianity, The Gospel of the New Testament.
      - soperj 5y ago
        Newton's laws are not fact, but scientific theory that's been tested through experiment and observation over hundreds of years. His convictions are just opinion.
        ElectronShak 5y ago
        For me, the problem is the double standard that is applied to historical writings; Mention Scripture, "Oh, those are just someone's words", Mention a scientific manuscript from the same time "Oh, my, what a genius"! How many of us actually get to prove newtons laws for ourselves? How many of us consciously wake up and say, today I will test out gravity? But isn't the law of Gravity real, yes it is! Thing is, most of what we know, we have read from what others have done or experienced, more in the scientific field. Why can't we apply the same standard to scripture? Maybe if we study deep we can prove the things written therein
- LinuxBender 5y ago
  Adding to this that many of the scriptures were censored from the Christian Bible. Emperor Constantine and his council left out some notable scriptures such as the Book of Enoch. That is a fairly significant redaction in my opinion. I would suggest reading up on it if anyone has the time.

nynx 5y ago

I'm not sure what else you could trust in. Even if a christian god exists, the bible was written by humans, copied over and over by humans, and translated by humans.

ElectronShak 5y ago
"We account the Scriptures of God to be the most sublime philosophy. I find more sure marks of authenticity in the Bible than in any profane history whatever." -Isaac Newton "Almighty God, Who hast created man in Thine own image, and made him a living soul that he might seek after Thee, and have dominion over Thy creatures, teach us to study the works of Thy hands, that we may subdue the earth to our use, and strengthen the reason for Thy service" -James Clerk Maxwell Two, really great minds, on whose work we depend on daily
- nynx 5y ago
  This isn’t really convincing. Newton and Maxwell were incredibly important, but they also lived quite a while ago. Religion has a different role in society these days.
  - ElectronShak 5y ago
    I agree, although I don't look at Christianity as religion, from my understanding of the new testament..Christ was crucified basically because he didn't follow "the law of their fathers"..religion essentially. The aim is not to convince though, but to raise the question, why does our generation think that anything scriptural cannot be treated as fact. Why are newtons laws fact, but not his convictions? Are we so taken up by being "scientific" in our own eyes, that we forget the very premise on which science is based, God?
    - nynx 5y ago
      There is an obvious answer to that: Newton's laws match our observations of reality, ignoring relativistic effects. Scripture is written by someone to reflect their opinions. They often have truths in them, but they're just a story. They don't reflect reality any more than Harry Potter does. To answer your second question: science is not based on a god or gods. Scientific thinking often branched out of religion, but they're separate now and have been for hundreds, if not thousands, of years. And science branched off from many different religions, just not the Christian one you seem to believe in.
      - ElectronShak 5y ago
        aa..cool. But then, very few people actually get to "prove" or consciously "observe" newtons laws, but a principle is a principle whether you believe it or not. In fact, at lower levels of education, you simply read and believe these, as fact, from those that have written about them, and proved them. Can't we say the same about Christianity? PS: Note that I avoid the word religion, as it dilutes Christianity, The Gospel of the New Testament.
    - soperj 5y ago
      Newton's laws are not fact, but scientific theory that's been tested through experiment and observation over hundreds of years. His convictions are just opinion.
      - ElectronShak 5y ago
        For me, the problem is the double standard that is applied to historical writings; Mention Scripture, "Oh, those are just someone's words", Mention a scientific manuscript from the same time "Oh, my, what a genius"! How many of us actually get to prove newtons laws for ourselves? How many of us consciously wake up and say, today I will test out gravity? But isn't the law of Gravity real, yes it is! Thing is, most of what we know, we have read from what others have done or experienced, more in the scientific field. Why can't we apply the same standard to scripture? Maybe if we study deep we can prove the things written therein
LinuxBender 5y ago
Adding to this that many of the scriptures were censored from the Christian Bible. Emperor Constantine and his council left out some notable scriptures such as the Book of Enoch. That is a fairly significant redaction in my opinion. I would suggest reading up on it if anyone has the time.