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The U.S. also takes it seriously when whistle blowers and journalists leak a story that tells the opposite. Torturing Chelsea Manning and going after Julian Ass
by mempko 5y ago
The U.S. also takes it seriously when whistle blowers and journalists leak a story that tells the opposite. Torturing Chelsea Manning and going after Julian Assange for example.
The million excess deaths from the wars is very realistic and plausible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War
- torstenvl 5y agoChelsea Manning wasn't tortured. The USG even paid for her gender reassignment surgery, and she was released early from her sentence. No reasonable person can call that torture. The claim isn't "there were a million excess deaths in a multiparty conflict," the claim is that the U.S. killed a million people. The vast majority of civilian killings were by ISIS and Shia militias.
- trasz 5y agoThose “excess deaths” wouldn’t happen if the US hadn’t invaded Middle East. Thus, it’s US fault. Generally speaking, calling US victims “excess deaths” tells something about American state of mind, though.
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- torstenvl 5y agoThat isn't how fault works. None of the misfortune I've suffered in my life would have happened if my father had never impregnated my mother, therefore it's all his fault and I'm his victim? No. "But for" causation has zero moral import whatsoever. Stop spewing your ax-grindy propaganda.
- trasz 5y agoSo essentially your claim is that invading a country is not the cause for subsequent million victims of said invasion. You still don't see it, do you? You have been brainwashed into believing that war mongering is somehow not pure evil as long as it's done by US.
- torstenvl 5y agoMy claim is that people are responsible for their own actions. Kindly stop defending ISIS. Thanks.
- trasz 5y agoHow is ISIS different from Americans droning random civilians?
- torstenvl 5y agoThat is not something that happens. There are American mistakes. There are incompetent Americans. There are even malicious Americans. But U.S. drone strikes are not random and the U.S. vigorously prosecutes war crimes violations by its own soldiers. If you want to criticize, say, President Trump for his actions in the Gallagher case, that would be entirely fair. But it doesn't change the fact that he was prosecuted in the first place. There is no ISIS analogy to the Gallagher prosecution. Indeed, no other nation does as good a job as the U.S. does. I say this as a Marine judge advocate who stood in the face of immense pressure by an Australian "leftenant colonel" who wanted to cover up an unintended CIVCAS by joint forces.