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You can't do other things; putting on makeup is not a safe activity for a driver with any of these features. Why is it that I can trust a level 3 system to not

You can't do other things; putting on makeup is not a safe activity for a driver with any of these features. Why is it that I can trust a level 3 system to not hit the car in front of me in stop and go traffic but I can't trust the level 2 system not to hit the car in front of me at 70mph? The stop and go driving certainly requires faster reaction times in my experience. Are the makers of level 3 systems legally liable when the vehicle in level-3 mode hits another car?

throwaway946513 5y ago
> Are the makers of level 3 systems legally liable when the vehicle in level-3 hits another car. Currently, as how the NHTSA regulates vehicles, the driver is liable for any accident that their vehicle causes. Your car should always be at your control, and you should be the one responsible for it's actions. Not saying this is right or wrong, but that's how the government views driving.
pfortuny 5y ago
It is not just a matter of reaction times. It is mostly of stopping without harming you, which at 70mph is rather difficult if the vehicle in front brakes too hard.
- causality0 5y ago
  If it's physically possible for the vehicle in front of you to brake so hard you can't avoid hitting them, you are following too closely.
sokoloff 5y ago
Though the distances are smaller/closer, I think that typical 70mph freeway driving is more likely to need a fast reaction than stop-and-go traffic (and certainly the stakes are much higher). The likely worst outcome from an error in stop-n-go traffic is an inconvenience.
pintxo 5y ago
Absolutely, the point of L3 systems is to move the legal liability from the driver to the car maker. Else there would be no benefit, would it? As long as I have full responsibility and have to be fully aware of the situation I might as well just drive myself. Germany had to change it's law for Mercedes to be able to role out L3. > In July 2021 in Germany, the Federal Act Amending the Road Traffic Act and the Compulsory Insurance Act (Autonomous Driving Act) came into effect. The Act allows motor vehicles with autonomous driving capabilities, meaning vehicles that can perform driving tasks independently without a person driving, in specified operating areas on public roads. Provisions about autonomous driving in appropriate operating areas correspond to Level 4. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-driving_car#Legislation_in_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-driving_car#Legislation_i...
_ea1k 5y ago
Because the manufacturer is less likely to get sued for a death in the low speed case. Also, there are fewer chances of needing a high speed avoidance maneuver rather than simply hitting the brakes.

throwaway946513 5y ago

> Are the makers of level 3 systems legally liable when the vehicle in level-3 hits another car. Currently, as how the NHTSA regulates vehicles, the driver is liable for any accident that their vehicle causes. Your car should always be at your control, and you should be the one responsible for it's actions. Not saying this is right or wrong, but that's how the government views driving.

pfortuny 5y ago

It is not just a matter of reaction times. It is mostly of stopping without harming you, which at 70mph is rather difficult if the vehicle in front brakes too hard.

causality0 5y ago
If it's physically possible for the vehicle in front of you to brake so hard you can't avoid hitting them, you are following too closely.

sokoloff 5y ago

Though the distances are smaller/closer, I think that typical 70mph freeway driving is more likely to need a fast reaction than stop-and-go traffic (and certainly the stakes are much higher). The likely worst outcome from an error in stop-n-go traffic is an inconvenience.

pintxo 5y ago

Absolutely, the point of L3 systems is to move the legal liability from the driver to the car maker. Else there would be no benefit, would it? As long as I have full responsibility and have to be fully aware of the situation I might as well just drive myself. Germany had to change it's law for Mercedes to be able to role out L3. > In July 2021 in Germany, the Federal Act Amending the Road Traffic Act and the Compulsory Insurance Act (Autonomous Driving Act) came into effect. The Act allows motor vehicles with autonomous driving capabilities, meaning vehicles that can perform driving tasks independently without a person driving, in specified operating areas on public roads. Provisions about autonomous driving in appropriate operating areas correspond to Level 4. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-driving_car#Legislation_in_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-driving_car#Legislation_i...

_ea1k 5y ago

Because the manufacturer is less likely to get sued for a death in the low speed case. Also, there are fewer chances of needing a high speed avoidance maneuver rather than simply hitting the brakes.