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Thanks for sharing. I find it very odd how people are so fixated on construction zones in that thread. Construction zones _are_ confusing and don't follow the

Thanks for sharing. I find it very odd how people are so fixated on construction zones in that thread. Construction zones _are_ confusing and don't follow the typical rules of the road. That's why they always come with slower speed restrictions. People acting like their car is trying to kill them clearly aren't assessing if they should even be using self-driving in these circumstances. In fact, they likely don't realize that many legally-licensed drivers also struggle in these conditions. Many people, especially those with poorer reactions or eyesight, have a challenging time navigating certain construction zones. I have an L2 and it works amazingly well when there are exactly two clearly marked lines. It's not that hard to understand when I can and can't rely on the car to drive itself. * Less than 2 lines visibly marked, drive it yourself. * If there are more than 2 things that look like lines, drive it yourself. Most highway driving is not in construction zones.

simion314 5y ago
>I have an L2 and it works amazingly well when there are exactly two clearly marked lines. It's not that hard to understand when I can and can't rely on the car to drive itself. If you mean Tesla you should always pay attention, you are responsible even if the road is perfect, there is a non zero chance the car can swing and kill some innocent person because you are alpha testing.
- _ea1k 5y ago
  I wouldn't call it alpha testing. The autosteer in Tesla cars of today works at least as well as the stable releases that I've seen from other manufacturers. You are right to say that one should always pay attention, though. The Tesla system is capable of handling relatively sharp curves, which has the side effect of making it capable of turning quickly in the face of weird road anomolies (eg, suddenly and recently repaired/damaged patches of asphalt). My other car has the opposite problem... it won't jerk in a situation like that, but it will gladly fly off the road with barely a warning on a shallow curve. We are in a really weird intermediate state right now.
  - simion314 5y ago
    >I wouldn't call it alpha testing. The autosteer in Tesla cars of today works at least as well as the stable releases that I've seen from other manufacturers. If others do the same shit I would say is still alpha testing, we seen recently and discussed in this and similar threads https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28566376 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28566376 the car acts like a buggy piece of code, like a glitched game. You should not test your alpha code by risking innocents life , The minimum , absolute minimum, Tesla should do is to use their AI to make sure no idiot alpha tester is watching movies, texting, putting makeup or sleeping when they should pay full attention, but they are not doing that but the opposite , Tesla and Elon imply that you have to pay attention because of evil regulation.
    - whoisthemachine 5y ago
      FSD != Autosteer in Teslas, FSD is in an "alpha" state, but the autosteer has been out for a while and is quite capable.
      - _ea1k 5y ago
        That confusion is part of the challenge discussing these things. I'm not a fan of how the "FSD Beta" is being handled, but its a whole separate discussion from autosteer and systems like it.
- SkyPuncher 5y ago
  I have a Hyundai Palisade, which is level 2. Nearly all manufactures are now offering L2 - either by default or part of a package. For highway driving, nearly everyone has caught up to Tesla in most use-cases.
_ea1k 5y ago
Yeah, I had a case like this not too long ago. It was I95 near the Maine/NH border. At first I wondered why the cars in front of me were half into my lane, then I realized that there were an abundance of poorly painted lane lines and it wasn't clear who was actually in the wrong. It was the weirdest mess of lane lines that I've ever seen, tbh. It was also obvious that I wasn't the only one guessing, as different drivers seemed to guess differently.
PeterisP 5y ago
Honestly, this seems like it could be solved by "simply" (it's a lot of tedious but routine organizational work) having the self-driving features get disabled whenever getting close to a construction zone. Like, those are unusual circumstances, handle the wheel yourself for those five minutes.

simion314 5y ago

>I have an L2 and it works amazingly well when there are exactly two clearly marked lines. It's not that hard to understand when I can and can't rely on the car to drive itself. If you mean Tesla you should always pay attention, you are responsible even if the road is perfect, there is a non zero chance the car can swing and kill some innocent person because you are alpha testing.

_ea1k 5y ago
I wouldn't call it alpha testing. The autosteer in Tesla cars of today works at least as well as the stable releases that I've seen from other manufacturers. You are right to say that one should always pay attention, though. The Tesla system is capable of handling relatively sharp curves, which has the side effect of making it capable of turning quickly in the face of weird road anomolies (eg, suddenly and recently repaired/damaged patches of asphalt). My other car has the opposite problem... it won't jerk in a situation like that, but it will gladly fly off the road with barely a warning on a shallow curve. We are in a really weird intermediate state right now.
- simion314 5y ago
  >I wouldn't call it alpha testing. The autosteer in Tesla cars of today works at least as well as the stable releases that I've seen from other manufacturers. If others do the same shit I would say is still alpha testing, we seen recently and discussed in this and similar threads https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28566376 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28566376 the car acts like a buggy piece of code, like a glitched game. You should not test your alpha code by risking innocents life , The minimum , absolute minimum, Tesla should do is to use their AI to make sure no idiot alpha tester is watching movies, texting, putting makeup or sleeping when they should pay full attention, but they are not doing that but the opposite , Tesla and Elon imply that you have to pay attention because of evil regulation.
  - whoisthemachine 5y ago
    FSD != Autosteer in Teslas, FSD is in an "alpha" state, but the autosteer has been out for a while and is quite capable.
    - _ea1k 5y ago
      That confusion is part of the challenge discussing these things. I'm not a fan of how the "FSD Beta" is being handled, but its a whole separate discussion from autosteer and systems like it.
SkyPuncher 5y ago
I have a Hyundai Palisade, which is level 2. Nearly all manufactures are now offering L2 - either by default or part of a package. For highway driving, nearly everyone has caught up to Tesla in most use-cases.

_ea1k 5y ago

Yeah, I had a case like this not too long ago. It was I95 near the Maine/NH border. At first I wondered why the cars in front of me were half into my lane, then I realized that there were an abundance of poorly painted lane lines and it wasn't clear who was actually in the wrong. It was the weirdest mess of lane lines that I've ever seen, tbh. It was also obvious that I wasn't the only one guessing, as different drivers seemed to guess differently.

PeterisP 5y ago

Honestly, this seems like it could be solved by "simply" (it's a lot of tedious but routine organizational work) having the self-driving features get disabled whenever getting close to a construction zone. Like, those are unusual circumstances, handle the wheel yourself for those five minutes.