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I don't see why I want to reduce human population. The real problem isn't population but our insane demand and energy intensive process needed to support the l

by kiba 5y ago

I don't see why I want to reduce human population. The real problem isn't population but our insane demand and energy intensive process needed to support the lifestyle of the global wealthy. Put it this way: Cars required insurance, road infrastructure, gasoline or battery, steel, electronics, etc to make car a viable transportation option both for logistics and to drive people around in general. Whereas we could have invested in rails which required less of everything to do the same thing. Even better if we use bicycles more, which is the most efficient form of transportation. A car is a luxury that we made into a requirement pretty much everywhere in north America, which in turn makes our lifestyle more expensive than it needed to be. So, in short, we should reduce the demand of unnecessary products(like cars). Then we can think about to make stuff in a more efficient manner and more green manner, or find more efficient products, such as using heat pumps.

logicalmonster 5y ago
> A car is a luxury that we made into a requirement pretty much everywhere in north America, which in turn makes our lifestyle more expensive than it needed to be. So, in short, we should reduce the demand of unnecessary products(like cars). This is a nice halfpinion, but the entire country can't essentially be some monolithic ecumenopolis like Mega-City One or Coruscant. I'd think most people here would love to see a few more efficient transportation options, more walkable suburbs, and other things you're describing, but there's certain infrastructure that can't really work in a suburban or rural setting. Cars, or something very much like them, are a necessity in areas where food is grown and everything is spread out. Personally speaking, I'm not worried about the general theme of overpopulation/climate change because nuclear energy has already solved human needs.
ayushnix 5y ago
> So, in short, we should reduce the demand of unnecessary products(like cars). Yeah, good luck with that. I live in city in India with relatively less population density than most metropolitan cities and my colleagues want to buy cars because "it'll be easier to drive". The city of Bangalore is notorious for its insanely bad traffic and yet I've heard people living still wanting to purchase cars. The reason is that "it's better to be inside a car in traffic than outside". If nothing else, people fall back to "what if there's a medical emergency?" It feels like there's no escaping cars.

by kiba 5y ago

logicalmonster 5y ago

> A car is a luxury that we made into a requirement pretty much everywhere in north America, which in turn makes our lifestyle more expensive than it needed to be. So, in short, we should reduce the demand of unnecessary products(like cars). This is a nice halfpinion, but the entire country can't essentially be some monolithic ecumenopolis like Mega-City One or Coruscant. I'd think most people here would love to see a few more efficient transportation options, more walkable suburbs, and other things you're describing, but there's certain infrastructure that can't really work in a suburban or rural setting. Cars, or something very much like them, are a necessity in areas where food is grown and everything is spread out. Personally speaking, I'm not worried about the general theme of overpopulation/climate change because nuclear energy has already solved human needs.

ayushnix 5y ago

> So, in short, we should reduce the demand of unnecessary products(like cars). Yeah, good luck with that. I live in city in India with relatively less population density than most metropolitan cities and my colleagues want to buy cars because "it'll be easier to drive". The city of Bangalore is notorious for its insanely bad traffic and yet I've heard people living still wanting to purchase cars. The reason is that "it's better to be inside a car in traffic than outside". If nothing else, people fall back to "what if there's a medical emergency?" It feels like there's no escaping cars.