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Someone will correct me if I am wrong, but Wolfram products are proprietary (read - you need to buy the license or subscribe to it), just like MATLAB.

by trymas 5y ago

leephillips 5y ago
If it’s not open source then it’s a non-starter, it doesn’t matter how cool it is. This is not an ideological free software stance, it’s a recognition that science has embraced the utility of open source tools and rejected black boxes. It’s essential for reproducibility and transparency in research. It’s no longer enough to provide your code in a paper supplement or on GitHub; the entire chain must be available for inspection, including the language itself. EDIT: One common exception to this principle is the use of proprietary C or Fortran compilers for high performance.
- kzrdude 5y ago
  They tried to get it out for freeon the raspi but I guess the uptake was really quite low. Either way the program for that has basically ended. https://www.wolfram.com/raspberry-pi/ https://www.wolfram.com/raspberry-pi/
  - leephillips 5y ago
    I don’t see any source there. Was is open source or just beer-free?
    - Smaug123 5y ago
      It is not and has never been open-source. In fact they wrote https://blog.wolfram.com/2019/04/02/why-wolfram-tech-isnt-open-source-a-dozen-reasons/ https://blog.wolfram.com/2019/04/02/why-wolfram-tech-isnt-op... .
      - agentdrek 5y ago
        I'm aghast at this point: https://blog.wolfram.com/2019/04/02/why-wolfram-tech-isnt-open-source-a-dozen-reasons/#nine-open-source-doesnt-bring-major-tech-innovation-to-market https://blog.wolfram.com/2019/04/02/why-wolfram-tech-isnt-op... The blog post was probably literally written in and hosted entirely on open source software which were highly innovative at their earlier stages and continue to be highly innovative. This is a very self-serving presentation of an idea. Also, I officially dislike the word innovation.
    - throway453sde 5y ago
      Its a good thing that it did not take off. Using something for free without source code is the bad thing that could happen to pi wrt to its mission.
      - carry_bit 5y ago
        The Pi is built on a foundation of binary blobs. As I read it, https://www.raspberrypi.org/about/ https://www.raspberrypi.org/about/ is a lot more focused on free-as-beer than free-as-speech.
        kzrdude 5y ago
        They are giving a lot, I respect them a lot for that. They are practical about it too, of course, compromises have to be made everywhere.
- Jeff_Brown 5y ago
  Does this mean SAS will finally die?

Someone will correct me if I am wrong, but Wolfram products are proprietary (read - you need to buy the license or subscribe to it), just like MATLAB.

by trymas 5y ago

Someone will correct me if I am wrong, but Wolfram products are proprietary (read - you need to buy the license or subscribe to it), just like MATLAB.

leephillips 5y ago

If it’s not open source then it’s a non-starter, it doesn’t matter how cool it is. This is not an ideological free software stance, it’s a recognition that science has embraced the utility of open source tools and rejected black boxes. It’s essential for reproducibility and transparency in research. It’s no longer enough to provide your code in a paper supplement or on GitHub; the entire chain must be available for inspection, including the language itself. EDIT: One common exception to this principle is the use of proprietary C or Fortran compilers for high performance.

kzrdude 5y ago
They tried to get it out for freeon the raspi but I guess the uptake was really quite low. Either way the program for that has basically ended. https://www.wolfram.com/raspberry-pi/ https://www.wolfram.com/raspberry-pi/
- leephillips 5y ago
  I don’t see any source there. Was is open source or just beer-free?
  - Smaug123 5y ago
    It is not and has never been open-source. In fact they wrote https://blog.wolfram.com/2019/04/02/why-wolfram-tech-isnt-open-source-a-dozen-reasons/ https://blog.wolfram.com/2019/04/02/why-wolfram-tech-isnt-op... .
    - agentdrek 5y ago
      I'm aghast at this point: https://blog.wolfram.com/2019/04/02/why-wolfram-tech-isnt-open-source-a-dozen-reasons/#nine-open-source-doesnt-bring-major-tech-innovation-to-market https://blog.wolfram.com/2019/04/02/why-wolfram-tech-isnt-op... The blog post was probably literally written in and hosted entirely on open source software which were highly innovative at their earlier stages and continue to be highly innovative. This is a very self-serving presentation of an idea. Also, I officially dislike the word innovation.
  - throway453sde 5y ago
    Its a good thing that it did not take off. Using something for free without source code is the bad thing that could happen to pi wrt to its mission.
    - carry_bit 5y ago
      The Pi is built on a foundation of binary blobs. As I read it, https://www.raspberrypi.org/about/ https://www.raspberrypi.org/about/ is a lot more focused on free-as-beer than free-as-speech.
      - kzrdude 5y ago
        They are giving a lot, I respect them a lot for that. They are practical about it too, of course, compromises have to be made everywhere.
Jeff_Brown 5y ago
Does this mean SAS will finally die?