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It's amazing these people keep getting voted back in too.

rootusrootus 5y ago
It's the same old problem. Everyone hates Congress, but loves their own Congressman. And tribal politics being what it is, nobody wants to throw away their vote on a third-party because they're worried that will cause The Other Side to win.
- DoctorOW 5y ago
  I mean that's literally true though. Every election in the foreseeable future will pretty much always be won by one of the two parties. As the parent comment points out they've got millions of dollars put in to generating tons of outreach. Do you honestly believe an internet comment is comparable?
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bmeski 5y ago
Your plane will likely crash if you don't toe the line. edit: Tow => toe
- gruez 5y ago
  the phrase is "toe the line"
  - bmeski 5y ago
    oof. thank you lol.
tablespoon 5y ago
> It's amazing these people keep getting voted back in too. It's a two-party system, you have to vote for one of them! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuYsZUMuj0M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuYsZUMuj0M, The Simpsons S8E1 - Treehouse of Horror VII - Kang and Kodos Or more accurately, they've gotten really good at getting people to focus on hating the other guy or getting wrapped up in partisan BS.
- gorwell 5y ago
  How many times are we going to fall for `This is the most important election of our lives!`. It's always about choosing the lesser evil. Every time. And then nothing changes. Andrew Yang has the right idea. We need to break the duopoly by implementing Ranked-Choice Voting and Nonpartisan Primaries.
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    >> How many times are we going to fall for `This is the most important election of our lives!`. It's always about choosing the lesser evil. Every time. And then nothing changes. > Andrew Yang has the right idea. We need to break the duopoly by implementing Ranked-Choice Voting and Nonpartisan Primaries. Those sound like a technical solutions to a social problem.
    - lawrenceyan 5y ago
      Why can’t technical solutions help to simplify/ease the social problem? It’s clearly not the only thing required, but it would provide some major relief.
      - tablespoon 5y ago
        > Why can’t technical solutions help to simplify/ease the social problem? It’s clearly not the only thing required, but it would provide some major relief. They can be part of a more holistic solution, but here they were presented as the solution. And if you only have half a solution, it may turn out to be half of the wrong one.
- bobthepanda 5y ago
  The problem is that we do not have effective third parties, because * elections in the US require a fuckton of spending. AOC raised millions for a House district that wasn't even competitive, meanwhile the British Parliament has a 30,000GBP spending limit. It is a lot easier for upstart parties to raise tens of thousands of dollars rather than millions. * third parties in the US have a habit of mostly trying to go for broke and failing. The general track record of successful ones elsewhere is that they usually cut their teeth in lower levels of government before they start competing well in national elections, and on top of that the lower level elections are generally easier to win (much lower voter count = much lower spending, thinner electoral margins, etc.) * the US lacks regional parties, which is another source of third-partyism, but depending on your views this might be a good thing.
mitigating 5y ago
If I have a choice between someone who used insider trading to make money and someone who lied about election fraud, a direct attack on democracy, I choose the least evil (or best of) the two people. I wish there was a third party system.
- jaywalk 5y ago
  The fact that you felt compelled to say what you just did (which is patently absurd) is why our democracy is failing.
spaetzleesser 5y ago
Most people vote against the other other guys. I don't think anybody really wants Pelosi or Biden but they just look at the alternatives. It's a sad state of affairs that you can only choose between two bad choices.

It's the same old problem. Everyone hates Congress, but loves their own Congressman. And tribal politics being what it is, nobody wants to throw away their vote on a third-party because they're worried that will cause The Other Side to win.

DoctorOW 5y ago
I mean that's literally true though. Every election in the foreseeable future will pretty much always be won by one of the two parties. As the parent comment points out they've got millions of dollars put in to generating tons of outreach. Do you honestly believe an internet comment is comparable?
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bmeski 5y ago

Your plane will likely crash if you don't toe the line. edit: Tow => toe

gruez 5y ago
the phrase is "toe the line"
- bmeski 5y ago
  oof. thank you lol.

tablespoon 5y ago

> It's amazing these people keep getting voted back in too. It's a two-party system, you have to vote for one of them! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuYsZUMuj0M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuYsZUMuj0M, The Simpsons S8E1 - Treehouse of Horror VII - Kang and Kodos Or more accurately, they've gotten really good at getting people to focus on hating the other guy or getting wrapped up in partisan BS.

gorwell 5y ago
How many times are we going to fall for `This is the most important election of our lives!`. It's always about choosing the lesser evil. Every time. And then nothing changes. Andrew Yang has the right idea. We need to break the duopoly by implementing Ranked-Choice Voting and Nonpartisan Primaries.
- tablespoon 5y ago
  >> How many times are we going to fall for `This is the most important election of our lives!`. It's always about choosing the lesser evil. Every time. And then nothing changes. > Andrew Yang has the right idea. We need to break the duopoly by implementing Ranked-Choice Voting and Nonpartisan Primaries. Those sound like a technical solutions to a social problem.
  - lawrenceyan 5y ago
    Why can’t technical solutions help to simplify/ease the social problem? It’s clearly not the only thing required, but it would provide some major relief.
    - tablespoon 5y ago
      > Why can’t technical solutions help to simplify/ease the social problem? It’s clearly not the only thing required, but it would provide some major relief. They can be part of a more holistic solution, but here they were presented as the solution. And if you only have half a solution, it may turn out to be half of the wrong one.
bobthepanda 5y ago
The problem is that we do not have effective third parties, because * elections in the US require a fuckton of spending. AOC raised millions for a House district that wasn't even competitive, meanwhile the British Parliament has a 30,000GBP spending limit. It is a lot easier for upstart parties to raise tens of thousands of dollars rather than millions. * third parties in the US have a habit of mostly trying to go for broke and failing. The general track record of successful ones elsewhere is that they usually cut their teeth in lower levels of government before they start competing well in national elections, and on top of that the lower level elections are generally easier to win (much lower voter count = much lower spending, thinner electoral margins, etc.) * the US lacks regional parties, which is another source of third-partyism, but depending on your views this might be a good thing.

mitigating 5y ago

If I have a choice between someone who used insider trading to make money and someone who lied about election fraud, a direct attack on democracy, I choose the least evil (or best of) the two people. I wish there was a third party system.

jaywalk 5y ago
The fact that you felt compelled to say what you just did (which is patently absurd) is why our democracy is failing.

spaetzleesser 5y ago

Most people vote against the other other guys. I don't think anybody really wants Pelosi or Biden but they just look at the alternatives. It's a sad state of affairs that you can only choose between two bad choices.