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Here in Austria, I know a lot of Ukraine and Georgian expats who don't have the issue with Russia that they do with the USA. These are just not vocal enough to

by aa-jv 5y ago

Here in Austria, I know a lot of Ukraine and Georgian expats who don't have the issue with Russia that they do with the USA. These are just not vocal enough to warrant attention in Western media, nor does it serve the purpose of giving the American-led NATO powers a new purpose for existence.

drran 5y ago
Yeah, they love Russia, and Russia love to protect them. Did they form an «ANR» and asked for Russian humanitarian military aid?
reducesuffering 5y ago
You moved to Austria from Australia less than 3 months ago (if you're not lying about that also). Austria is 1/1,000 Ukrainian and 1/3,000 Georgian, and the younger crowd is even further US aligned. Please tell me more about how you've made 10,000 friends in 2 months to statistically avg. knowing a lot of them. You don't know "a lot of Ukraine and Georgian expats." I have family from both and have been all over Georgia. 2012 Gallup Poll had Georgian approval of US policies at 51% and disapproval at 15%. There's a damn good reason Georgia and Ukraine mutually consider each other their #1 ally. I thought after the 2014 annexation of Crimea, surely international supporters of this crap would be nowhere to be seen anymore. Now I found myself thinking the same thing when Ukraine or the Baltics boil over, but I'm sure somehow you'll make up some other "But US and NATO (a defense pact that has never entered into unrequested territory) also yada yada, Russia not so bad."
- aa-jv 5y ago
  Your analysis is faulty, I've lived in Austria for 15 years and have extensive experience working professionally in the Balkan states - Kosovo, Serbia, Hungary, Croatia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Czech Republic. I've also lived in the USA for many decades prior to moving to Europe, and I don't have a single nationalist bone in my body. I can count the # of pro-NATO/pro-USA bootlickers in my professional circles on one hand, whereas the people who are categorically opposed to America's continued committing of crimes against humanity cannot be so simply counted. You seem to be aligned with the "might makes right" theory of geopolitics, but this is not the case among the people of the states I'm familiar with. Most of them want the criminal human rights violations to end - on all sides - but are not so stupid to ignore the American side, just because its shiny and plastic.
  - reducesuffering 5y ago
    You 3 months ago: "This is sufficient motivation to abandon my Australian citizenship entirely and move to a country [Germany. Austria]" And you said the Ukrainian and Georgian expats were here in Austria. I'll leave it to others to decide if you're telling the truth. > You seem to be aligned with the "might makes right" theory of geopolitics. Actually I was explicitly saying that Russia annexing Ukraine (might) isn't right. ???
    - aa-jv 5y ago
      Perhaps your reading comprehension needs work. Abandoning my citizenship doesn't mean I can't already be living in Austria and become a full citizen because of what I perceive to be gross violations by the Australian government .. or want to move to a non-bootlicker nation. >Russia annexing Ukraine (might) isn't right. ??? Well, that depends if you think fascist Ukraine should have access to ex-Russian nuclear-armed naval bases or not. I personally would rather have Russia have control over the significant population of Russians in Crimea than have fascist Ukraine gain access to those nukes. But, we peons rarely get what we want. I guess we should learn to wield our democratic power better ..
koonsolo 5y ago
That is just bullshit. I know a lot of Ukrainians. They absolutely hate Russia. Russia tries to invade their country, US isn't. Don't you think that makes a difference? My family in law is from Slovakia. Needless to say, especially the older generation really hates Russia. Do you have any idea what Russia did to Ukraine, or Slovakia or any of the other ex soviets satellite states? Don't you think that would leave any marks?

by aa-jv 5y ago

drran 5y ago

Yeah, they love Russia, and Russia love to protect them. Did they form an «ANR» and asked for Russian humanitarian military aid?

reducesuffering 5y ago

You moved to Austria from Australia less than 3 months ago (if you're not lying about that also). Austria is 1/1,000 Ukrainian and 1/3,000 Georgian, and the younger crowd is even further US aligned. Please tell me more about how you've made 10,000 friends in 2 months to statistically avg. knowing a lot of them. You don't know "a lot of Ukraine and Georgian expats." I have family from both and have been all over Georgia. 2012 Gallup Poll had Georgian approval of US policies at 51% and disapproval at 15%. There's a damn good reason Georgia and Ukraine mutually consider each other their #1 ally. I thought after the 2014 annexation of Crimea, surely international supporters of this crap would be nowhere to be seen anymore. Now I found myself thinking the same thing when Ukraine or the Baltics boil over, but I'm sure somehow you'll make up some other "But US and NATO (a defense pact that has never entered into unrequested territory) also yada yada, Russia not so bad."

aa-jv 5y ago
Your analysis is faulty, I've lived in Austria for 15 years and have extensive experience working professionally in the Balkan states - Kosovo, Serbia, Hungary, Croatia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Czech Republic. I've also lived in the USA for many decades prior to moving to Europe, and I don't have a single nationalist bone in my body. I can count the # of pro-NATO/pro-USA bootlickers in my professional circles on one hand, whereas the people who are categorically opposed to America's continued committing of crimes against humanity cannot be so simply counted. You seem to be aligned with the "might makes right" theory of geopolitics, but this is not the case among the people of the states I'm familiar with. Most of them want the criminal human rights violations to end - on all sides - but are not so stupid to ignore the American side, just because its shiny and plastic.
- reducesuffering 5y ago
  You 3 months ago: "This is sufficient motivation to abandon my Australian citizenship entirely and move to a country [Germany. Austria]" And you said the Ukrainian and Georgian expats were here in Austria. I'll leave it to others to decide if you're telling the truth. > You seem to be aligned with the "might makes right" theory of geopolitics. Actually I was explicitly saying that Russia annexing Ukraine (might) isn't right. ???
  - aa-jv 5y ago
    Perhaps your reading comprehension needs work. Abandoning my citizenship doesn't mean I can't already be living in Austria and become a full citizen because of what I perceive to be gross violations by the Australian government .. or want to move to a non-bootlicker nation. >Russia annexing Ukraine (might) isn't right. ??? Well, that depends if you think fascist Ukraine should have access to ex-Russian nuclear-armed naval bases or not. I personally would rather have Russia have control over the significant population of Russians in Crimea than have fascist Ukraine gain access to those nukes. But, we peons rarely get what we want. I guess we should learn to wield our democratic power better ..

koonsolo 5y ago

That is just bullshit. I know a lot of Ukrainians. They absolutely hate Russia. Russia tries to invade their country, US isn't. Don't you think that makes a difference? My family in law is from Slovakia. Needless to say, especially the older generation really hates Russia. Do you have any idea what Russia did to Ukraine, or Slovakia or any of the other ex soviets satellite states? Don't you think that would leave any marks?