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> I don't see how peace could be made Its certainly not going to be possible for as long as member citizens of Western nations think they have the moral author

by aa-jv 5y ago

> I don't see how peace could be made Its certainly not going to be possible for as long as member citizens of Western nations think they have the moral authority to tell Russia what to do .. they really, really don't have that moral authority, especially given the last twenty years of massacring of innocent people that the West continues to sweep under the rug and justify with bleats .. The Russian people know how many innocent human beings are massacred by American war machines every day, even if Americans don't.

ogogmad 5y ago
Look up whataboutism, the "tu quoque" fallacy, and the fallacy of moral equivalence.
- aa-jv 5y ago
  If you think that America has the moral authority to demand other states stop their human rights abuses, you probably don't know a thing about the extent nor magnitude of America's own human rights crimes. A nation that drops bombs on innocent people every twenty minutes for twenty years has zero moral authority when it comes to calling out other nations' human rights abuses - until their own abuses are appropriately addressed. Anything less is just a failure to understand basic ethics. You can call anything a fallacy - the idea that Americans have a higher moral authority on the subject of human rights is just ludicrous and worthy of a great deal of ridicule in light of the statistics of "Americans killing other innocent people for fundamentally racist/bigoted reasons" .. the real fallacy is that the American people think their nation has a 'right' to act with moral authority over any other nation. They really, really don't.
- Redoubts 5y ago
  On the flip side, it would be nice if you would stop lynching negroes.
eptcyka 5y ago
I am in no way happy that my native country's sovereignty is hedged on US global hegemony, but Russia is often complicit and just as bad when it comes to military action in 3rd world countries. I'm also not trying to prop up a higher moral position, but I am very opposed to a Russian invasion, much like I would be opposed to an American one. Nobody wants Russia to fail, they just don't want Russia to be a threat.

by aa-jv 5y ago

ogogmad 5y ago

Look up whataboutism, the "tu quoque" fallacy, and the fallacy of moral equivalence.

aa-jv 5y ago
If you think that America has the moral authority to demand other states stop their human rights abuses, you probably don't know a thing about the extent nor magnitude of America's own human rights crimes. A nation that drops bombs on innocent people every twenty minutes for twenty years has zero moral authority when it comes to calling out other nations' human rights abuses - until their own abuses are appropriately addressed. Anything less is just a failure to understand basic ethics. You can call anything a fallacy - the idea that Americans have a higher moral authority on the subject of human rights is just ludicrous and worthy of a great deal of ridicule in light of the statistics of "Americans killing other innocent people for fundamentally racist/bigoted reasons" .. the real fallacy is that the American people think their nation has a 'right' to act with moral authority over any other nation. They really, really don't.
Redoubts 5y ago
On the flip side, it would be nice if you would stop lynching negroes.

eptcyka 5y ago

I am in no way happy that my native country's sovereignty is hedged on US global hegemony, but Russia is often complicit and just as bad when it comes to military action in 3rd world countries. I'm also not trying to prop up a higher moral position, but I am very opposed to a Russian invasion, much like I would be opposed to an American one. Nobody wants Russia to fail, they just don't want Russia to be a threat.